Boy Scout Camp? (OHIO)

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I live in Ohio, and have my CHL. On occasion, I have to take groceries/tools/forgotten equipment/missing permission slips to a local Boy Scout Camp. Now, does a Boy Scout Camp fall under the category of a "school" or "daycare center" for the purposes of Ohio CHL restrictions?
 
Wow.

This thread prompted me fire up Google Earth to find the Boy Scout campground I used to go to in Ohio roughly *? years ago. Camp Lazarus.

Wish the Google resolution was a bit higher...

Memories.

And to keep it gun related, that's where I first fired a gun. A .22.
 
The one I worked at for 4 years had the no carry decals on the camp office doors.

Boy Scouts may teach rifle and shotgun shooting but the possession of a non-folding knife of handgun is prohibited on BSA property on a national level with the exception of venture crews having a certified pistol instructor on a range.

Also, had somebody been caught at the camp I worked at, I'm sure the camp director would want them prosocuted to the full extent of the law. Not saying they are all like that, but many are.

FFMedic
 
Thanks shortydog.

At the moment, the links are coming up for me, but I'm not getting pics. I'll re-boot in a bit and retry it.

I also Googled around for my old troop. Looks like it doesn't exist anymore. That's just a tad depressing.

I remember when I fired that first .22 shot at Camp Lazarus (is Eagle Rock still behind the range?)... I tipped the gun up and blew away the smoke from the end of the barrel. I can still hear it now, " Who the he11 are you? Annie Oakley?" :D

Never did that again.
 
On my last Order of the Arrow trip they set up a little .22range and after we were done with it one of the other adults mentioned that he had his .40 in his truck. So we shot his 4006 from about 5yrds at the leftover rifle targets. It was a lot of fun. But yes handguns are a no go with the exception of venture crews. (I think OA can do it too if they have a pistol instructor.)
 
I worked at a Scout Camp in when I was in my early teens. You were allowed to bring .22LR rifles and shotguns to camp, but they had to be checked in with you and secured in the camp safe when you arrived. Handguns are strictly verboten. I believe that FFMedic is correct and that is national policy, but I think they may have exceptions in certain areas.

Since you are not a camper, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

I don't think that is a bad policy for numerous reasons: First, their is no good way to properly secure arms and ammo in a tent/adirondacks/etc. Secondly, you are dealing with many young'ns who may have never been properly introduced to firearms and it is best to keep things as controlled a possible. Thirdly, the parents can actually be worse behaved than the kids - trust me I have stories! Finally, scout camps may be outside, but they tend to have a relativity high density of people spread over the entire property. While still unlikely, the chances of a round hitting an innocent may be much higher IMO - it is simply much harder to be 100% of your target and beyond in an area covered with camp sites, loges, and criss-crossed with trails.

The BSA does encourage sporting rifle and shotgun shooting and they introduce many boys (who would otherwise not be introduced) to guns in a proper and safe way.
 
From the BSA - Guide to Safe Scouting

http://www.scouting.org/pubs/gss/gss08.html#b
for rules and regs during activities and camps.


As for myself, w/ 3 boys I am greatly invloved from the Eagle down to Cub Scout level..................this little note:

"Except for law enforcement officers required to carry firearms within their jurisdiction, firearms shall not be brought on camping, hiking, backpacking, or other Scouting activities except those specifically planned for target shooting under the supervision of a currently certified BSA or National Rifle Association firearms instructor."
and
"Except for (1) law enforcement officers required to carry firearms within their jurisdiction, and (2) circumstances within the scope of the BSA hunting policy statement, firearms should not be in the possession of any person engaged in camping, hiking, backpacking, or any other Scouting activity other than those specifically planned for target shooting under the supervision of a certified firearms instructor. (Among the purposes of this policy is to prohibit adult leaders from bringing firearms on BSA camping and hiking activities or to unit meetings.)"

I prefer a "don't ask me and I won't tell you" approach. I carry on EVERY outing and only I and my own sons need to know. Our outings range from the great outdoors to the cities- I will be responsible for ALL the boys safety everywhere we go.
 
I dunno then - the BSA must not always care, but we used to world war II reenactments on several places of BSA land, with their blessings. Handguns all around.
 
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I find it a little weird that they have shooting ranges and allow fixed blade knives that are considered deadly weapons on the boys but have problems with an adult who choses a different deadly weapon to carry.:banghead:
 
So basically, no CCW.

DoggyDaddy, I took some of my first target shots at Camp Lazarus as well, summer of 87. I only went the one year, but it was a ton of fun. Last I heard, around 2000-2001ish, was that the range was still in the same place, but no longer in use, due to problems with the building. I've been kinda wanting to drop in and take a look around the camp again, I have some good memories from that place.....like how hard it is to get the big rowboat from the lake up the hill to the swimming pool, with only two other scouts, at night.....man was that thing heavy!

Stephpd, I can't recall any straight knives beyond steak or cooking knives in our troop. We all had our Tot'n Chip, so folders were pretty much universal.
 
Stephpd: "... and allow fixed blade knives that are considered deadly weapons on the boys ..."

Sorry, Steph, but your information is wrong. I speak as an Eagle Scout in the 60's and a Scoutmaster in the 80-90's.
Yes, in the 60's, a fixed blade hunting knife was allowed and common. I still have my old official BSA 4" blade hunting knife in scabbard in my tool box.
However, by the time I re-joined Scouting as an adult in the 80's, the rules had changed. While cooking kits can contain all sorts of kitchen knives, both Scouts and Scouters are enjoined against carrying any fixed blade knives. All carry knives must be either folding pocket knives or, for larger blades carried on the belt, lockback knives.
I gave this a bit of thought, and the safety logic was clear to me. Kids almost never put belted items (scabbards, holsters, etc.) on their belts in position to keep them from sliding around to the very front. Hunting knives need to be behind two belt loops to keep them to the side. Hang a hnting knife on a belt between the buckle and last loop, and watch how fast it migrates all the way to the front. Now imagine a kid running and falling with a knife point five or six inches below his belt, immediately beside his zipper.
There have been other (for the good) safety changes in Scouts between my two periods of participation. In the 60's, brother and I had an official BSA axe and hatchet for preparing firewood. By the 80's, all troops had converted to bow saws, folding saws,, and ring-hold wire saws. MUCH safer, and just as good for making firewood.

craig
 
My local troop does still have axes, but they don't often use them. I think it's a case of a bow saw not fitting into the cut-out in the trailer!
 
In the 60's, brother and I had an official BSA axe and hatchet for preparing firewood. By the 80's, all troops had converted to bow saws, folding saws,, and ring-hold wire saws. MUCH safer, and just as good for making firewood.
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Knowing how to use an axe properly and safely should be taught. As well as using a chainsaw properly. Too many people don't get proper training and get hurt as a result. But, yeah, other types of saws work well- but you may find yourself with only an axe. And an axe is great for cleaning up a tree after you cut it- makes fast work of removing small branches and chopping the smaller limbs up to use when starting a fire.
 
I was a scout in the 80's and they had an axe certification in addition to the tot'n chit. I think it was the "Paul Bunyan Woodsman" certificate or something similar. It covered axes and my favorite, the long two man saws. The culmination of the certifiacte was a "woodsman's challenge" with team sawing, etc.

Lots of memories! Too bad scouting gets such a frequent bad rap these days. I too fired my first .22 at BSA camp.
 
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