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Weren't a good deal of the comments along the lines of "LOL take that u LIEberal molon labe never forget?" I'm all for educating the masses, but it's their blog, their rules, and I can't argue that those type of messages (though plenty of fine RKBA arguments were presented as well) wouldn't get on my nerves, too.
 
i really haven't ever seen much of that. The overwhelming majority of comments were well laid out pro gun comments that had cited facts. It just caused a few anti-gun people to use personal insults and all kids of rediculous things because they were getting so frustrated.
 
"Weren't a good deal of the comments along the lines of "LOL take that u LIEberal molon labe never forget?"

No, actually, they weren't. Pdowg881 is quite correct. That's what finally got to them. They were constantly bombarded with links to stats from DOJ, FBI, etc., that they couldn't refute, so they ingnored them. On the rare occasions that they provided a source, it was always to some bogus study financed by the Joyce Foundation.

I have a feeling we did some good over there. One lurking fence sitter logged on, and posted that he had come down on the side of RKBA. Then a lurking self proclaimed Anti posted that he had been converted. You know how many "guests" we have here all the time. I would imagine they do also. I'd be willing to bet we changed a few minds, at least, for the reasons cited by pdowg.

I don't think the current status of the Brady Blog is permanent. They say they are making some changes, but who knows what they're up to.
 
It was a pretty painful blog to read. The few opperatives from TBC that posted on there were burried by RKBA people. Mostly, but not always, the RBKA people tried to draw out the 'home team' for rational dialog.

Then the few 'facts' that could be employed came out.
Those tired notions would be shredded and
they would retreat to the 'bunker of feelings' and get all emmotional.

It was a very one-sided victory and you felt bad for them being trounced on their home court like that.
 
Neo-Luddite took the words out of my mouth. When they took the comments down I went to the range for a 4 hour "victory shoot". :D

Sadly, I can't claim I was one of the posters there, I'm simply not that great at debate, text or otherwise. I never felt I could add anything beyond what other posters were saying.

But hey, +1 for us, right? Shame it didn't go on longer, though. :D
 
For those of you that want to educate antis, here is another big anti-gun blog:
http://blogs.timesunion.com/underfire/

Under Fire
I'm Robyn Ringler, a nurse, attorney and freelance writer in Ballston Lake. I'm also a gun control activist who became deeply affected by America's gun violence problem while caring for President Ronald Reagan after the assassination attempt. Let's talk about guns. Robyn Ringler, Ballston Lake, NY
 
I fear there is no educating Robyn, but then again, she probably won't close up shop, either. She's basically got herself and two anti-gun posters to counteract about 25 pro-gun regulars. "Under Fire" indeed.

Her latest project is explaining how guns made the Newark killings happen, despite the fact that none of the victims resisted and they happened in New Jersey, the most anti-gun state on the Eastern seaboard.

Not long ago, she was explaining why she categorized a murder committed with a 7mm rifle as ".50 Caliber Gun Violence." Just make sure you don't use the word "gangbanger"; it means you're a racist. She won't approve a comment containing the word. No kidding.


I expect the "Gun Guys" to last a lot longer, because they do their schtick via email and thus get to pick and choose which comments they will post and which they won't. They never included one of my comments in their "Mail Bag" back when I bothered to play their game; every single pro-gun comment they include is a threat, an ad for Hooked On Phonics, or the clear product of traumatic brain injury. I honestly don't think it has much of an effect, propaganda-wise. It's too transparent.

The only time "red meat" like that is effective is when you have large numbers of supporters who need to be energized. "Red meat" turns most people away from you shaking their heads. The only people who look at that stuff and say "I KNEW gun nuts were all retarded racists!" are the people who already hate "gun nuts." They have too few of those established to do much good no matter how riled they manage to get those few.

They should be trying to enlist fence-sitters, but on the internet they don't have their standard tools for doing so. Everybody gets the same access to "airtime" on the internet and celebrity is fleeting and unstable, so their standard tactics of overwhelming favorable news coverage coupled with movie stars pleading for people to consider the children aren't going to cut it.
 
I fear there is no educating Robyn, but then again, she probably won't close up shop, either.

But don't you think that you might be convincing some fence-sitters? I am of the opinion that the lies of the gun-control movement need to be countered at every step, by clear and concise RKBA supporters.
 
I just checked Dorryn's link, it's no wonder they don't allow comments
What good is it to spread fear if it isso easily contradicted

From wounded in America
“When he shot me it was a semi-automatic, it had those dumb-dumb bullets in it, they’re made to maim, to do more damage, and upon impact they explode. If you were shot with a normal bullet it might make a small hole, but in this case it makes a very large hole and it explodes, it damages all the tissue....
Because it was a semi-automatic weapon several bullets flew even though he may have squeezed the trigger only once
"I had checked that shotgun; I thought it only had three shells in it. I took out three shells. I thought it was unloaded. But on that particular gun, I had bought it used, I found out later that if you take the little screw out and take the plug out, you can put extra shells in the chamber. Someone had taken the plug out before I bought it and they were able to put seven or eight shells in the chamber. That's one of the firearm safeties: Don't ever pull that plug out! I didn't even realize the gun had a plug. In the hunting regulations you can't put more than three shells in the shot gun. It should be manufactured so that you can't take that plug out, so that only three shells can be put in! That shot gun shouldn't be on the market! I tell you from my heart, to benefit society, I think firearm safety should be a requirement because this isn't a laughing matter,
 
I've been giving anti-gunners rhetorical swirlies since the late '80s, first in FidoNet, then in usenet.

Anti-gunners, especially those in computer networks, fall into two basic categories:

The Simple - They know nothing about firearms that they didn't see in an episode of "Highway Patrol", "Hawaii Five-O" or "Law & Order". They are afraid of to varying degrees, guns, themselves in possession of a gun, and people of different racial, ethnic or religious groups with guns. They have an almost animistic awe of firearms, and see them as having independent agency. They often have issues with rage which they impute to everyone else. They think that if they had a gun, they'd murder people for slight provocation. They feel the same applies to everyone who has a gun... except the police, who apparently have some magic talisman which prevents THEM ALONE from shooting everyone around them. Being intellectually lazy, they will not question any pronouncement by a vocal anti-gunner. It is not unknown for them to not only be ignorant about firearms, but to condemn actual knowledge of firearms. British internet anti-gunners refer to the possession of verifiable factual knowledge about firearms as "trainspotting". It is their belief that actual knowledge of a subject makes one's opinions about it LESS valid. They have virtually no knowledge of current firearms law. They will frequently proclaim that guns are easier to get NOW, than they were when anyone could buy anything but a machinegun or destructive device through the mail. They engage in clumsy reductio ad absurdam argument, seeking to trivialize that which they do not understand. See anti-nuclear activist Dr. Helen Caldicott for examples of this behavior.

The Dishonest - Like the 1% of charlatans at the top of the neo-Nazi movement who exploit the 99% at the bottom, they lead The Simple around by the nose. They know the actual truth of gun control and instead lie. Like Josh Sugermann, they attempt to deceive and confuse, deliberately blurring the distinction between automatic and semi-automatic firearms. They intentionally lie about current laws, be it prohibitions on interstate mailorder sales of firearms, to the legality of handgun hunting ("Nobody hunts with a handgun!") They frequently coopt the media in their disinformation campaigns as in the case of CNN, which showed an "assault" weapon destroying cinderblocks which were untouched by a non-assault weapon... which it turns out was not even aimed at those cinderblocks. They claim that more people are killed with their own guns than kill criminals... as if one has not defended oneself with a firearm unless someone dies. Strangely, they advocate the use of the martial arts instead, but do not demand that every use of the martial arts end in someone being beaten or choked to death.

I've pretty much seen it all. Without fail, anti-gunners are handed their heads in every such debate. Unfortunately, like neo-Nazi Holocaust deniers, they just keep coming back for their regular beating...
 
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