Brady Campaign jubilant over election results

[Redneck with a 40]

I just visited the Brady Campaign's website to see what they had to say about the election. They were very jubilant of course. However, I think their jubilation is premature, most of the seats that the Democrats won are moderate to conservative Democrats who support gun rights. Overall, in the House, there will be more pro gun Democrats in the house than there has ever been. According to Dave Kopel's article on the NRA website, the anti-gun Democrats lost many more seats in 1994, compared to many more pro gun Democrats in 2006. Harry Reid may be a social liberal, but he was instrumental in getting the 2005 lawful commerce in arms act passed, he usually takes a pro gun position. I don't think the gun control advocates will have the necessary votes on the house floor to pass their agenda, although they will have sympathetic members on the commitee's, aka John Conyers.

This whole scenario could change in a heartbeat if there is another sensational crime like Columbine. That's our worst nightmare.

 

[El Tejon]

And you can guarantee there will be a Columbine next year.

 

[Stauffenberg]

It's gonna be a tough couple of years, guys. If you've become lax in your participation in the movement, now's as good a time as any to get back into it. We need everyone pushing now.

 

[Redneck with a 40]

No I can't guarantee there wont be another Columbine incident, but I pray to god there isn't, because if there is......we are screwed!!!

 

[ServiceSoon]

...not to mention the un-named people that will die.

 

[Daemon688]

I was just thinking about this issue this morning. I'm just glad I'm going to be done with college this spring. Time to start buying all those evil black rifles and accessories.

 

[ArmedBear]

Well, small-government conservatives were jubilant a few years ago, too.

We didn't exactly get what we wanted from the election back then, either.

The sky may be falling slowly, but it's not down yet.

 

[carpediem]

Disclaimer - I'm a conservative, so my interpretation is very likely influenced by my views

It seems to me that the GOP says; the left does. Republicans seem to like to talk things up while preserving the status quo. The left-leaning Dems seem to be constantly trying to implement their agenda.

If the Dems learn to talk big and do little I'll be a happy camper. But if they start all that proactive, legacy-making ...

 

[LAR-15]

Apparently some pro-gun freshman Dems were elected but it remains to be seen how they vote in Congress.

I doubt they are anything like Harold Volkmer.

 

[crunker]

Whatever happens, don't allow anyone to remove from you your means of self defense.

 

[DRMMR02]

I have a feeling that those new Dem congressmen will fall in step with their anti-gun vets soon enough.

 

[vmfrantz]

If you think the new dems will fall in step, we need to start emailing now. And lots of us.

 

[antsi]

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most of the seats that the Democrats won are moderate to conservative Democrats who support gun rights
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That's a pretty thin cause for hope, and not really based on a realistic view of how the political machinery operates.

So, the new crop of freshmen Democrat congresspeople are smart enough to conceal their anti-gun views during their election campaigns. Even if that really reflects their beliefs, these are not the people who will be setting the Democrats' legislative agenda. The people who will be setting the legislative agenda, controlling the committees, and determining which bills get voted on and which get quietly shuffled off to the side are going to be the "old guard" Democrat leadership - Kennedy, Pelosi, Reid, Schumer, Feinstein, Conyers, Schumer, and so on.

If you're saying the new crop of Democrats are really pro-RKBA in their convictions, I think you're being a bit naive.

If you think the new crop of Democrats are so deeply committed to RKBA that they will overthrow their own party leadership to defeat the Democrats' longstanding anti-gun agenda, you're adding whole new dimensions to the concept of naivete.

 

[MountainBear]

The sky may or may not be falling, but you can be damn sure that my stockpile of recievers, parts kits, high cap mags, Class III items (if I can afford it), and ammunition will be growing in the next year.
Regardless of how they say they will vote, a "pro-gun right" Democrat will still fold like a politician when his extremist party members start rallying round the anti-flag. And unlike last time when I was too young to understand or invest in soon to be "illegal" items, I will not be caught unaware or unprepared this time.

We can only hope they don't get the third part of their plan (i.e. the presidency in two more years. If they do, God help us, cause the Democrats won't...

 

[GoRon]

Don't panic guys.

I have it on good authority that it is all OK.

Many members here have assured me that letting the Democrats back in control is not a problem.

 

[Standing Wolf]

...most of the seats that the Democrats won are moderate to conservative Democrats who support gun rights.

If you believe a word of that, I've got some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas that might interest you.

 

[Guyon]

I think I'm going to sign up for the "Easy Pay Life" plan with the NRA. Instead of $35 a year, I'll be sending them $100.

 

[Maxwell]

And you can guarantee there will be a Columbine next year.

Thanks to the current state of affairs, theres been a columbine worthy shooting almost every month.

 

[CornCod]

How many shooters were active in political campaigns this year? A lot of guys think they can pay their NRA dues and write a few letters to elected officials and they consider their duty over.

When working on Republican political campaigns in the 80's and 90's (in of all places, New Jersey) the Association of Rifle and Pistol Clubs used to send us folks to distribute literature and such. The level of participation wasn't all that great, but there was at least some. Now that I live in allegedly pro-gun Arkansas and volunteer for campaigns there, I see none of this type of thing here. They are all in the "deer woods" to use the quaint Arkansas term, when they should have been spending some of their spare time working the phones or distributing literature for pro-gun candidates.

The campaign I worked on, for governor hopeful Asa Hutchinson (100% NRA rating), was CHRONICALLY short of volunteers. There were days when I worked the phone banks ALONE for lack of volunteers. These guys were all home sitting on their posteriors watching stupid TV shows! Permit me to emit a loud raspberry at Arkansas gun owners!

It's time for gun owners to spend more time getting involved in the political process and less time in their hobby. If they don't, then the hobby is finished too.

 

[History Prof]

And you can guarantee there will be a Columbine next year.

No I can't guarantee there wont be another Columbine incident

Hey Red, I think you misread El Tejon.
El Tejon, are you talking statistical probability or agents provocateur? I used to think conspiracy theorists were just nutty, and I still believe Oswald acted alone, but the timing of many of these shootings seems just a bit too coincidental at times. And as a historian, I can tell you professionally, there have been plenty of people in history who have been willing to do that kind of stuff to keep power. Not just the obvious ones like Hitler and the Stalin, but everywhere in the world.....

 

[History Prof]

If you think the new crop of Democrats are so deeply committed to RKBA that they will overthrow their own party leadership to defeat the Democrats' longstanding anti-gun agenda, you're adding whole new dimensions to the concept of naivete.

Hammer --> antsi --> NailHead --> BULLSEYE!

 

[gwine]

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...most of the seats that the Democrats won are moderate to conservative Democrats who support gun rights.

If you believe a word of that, I've got some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas that might interest you.

At one time Kansas used to be underwater, and the water was salty. It could happen again.

From this article:

Sea Monsters in Kansas
Ask, Jan 2005 by Padma, T V


When dinosaurs roamed and roared on land, what strange monsters swam in the sea? Magnificent marine reptiles, some as large and terrifying as a T. rex, ruled the realm beneath the waves. They smashed, crunched, and crushed ancient fish and shellfish and, sometimes, even munched on one another.

Scientists find the fossil remains of these ferocious sea monsters in many places that today are far from the ocean. During the Cretaceous period, which lasted from 140 million to 65 million years ago, a shallow sea covered the middle of the United States, drowning the Dakotas, Texas, Kansas, and many other southern and midwestern states.

Imagine you are on the Kansas seashore more than 65 million years ago. It's a peaceful scene. An armor-plated dinosaur called an ankylosaur lumbers along on the distant coastal plain. A sea turtle digs its nest on the beach nearby. Birds with teeth wheel in the sky overhead, while a flock of flightless birds floats on the waves. . . .

Of course, if you're a young-earther, this scenario doesn't apply.

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[antsi]

But How Can this Be?

We keep hearing on this forum that there is no meaningful difference between Democrats and Republicans on gun control.

Therefore there is no reason for the Bradyites to be pleased with these election results

 

[Steve 48]

There is another election in 2 years. We need to start preparing for that one because that is the big one. If we have a all democratic congress and President(sic), we are screwed!! Steve 48

 

[ForeignDude]

Straight Out of the Horse's Mouth, Folks!

From the NY Times:

If the Senate turns Democratic, Senator Clinton might become chairwoman of a subcommittee on Armed Services or on Environment and Public Works, though that is also contingent on the complicated musical chairs of seniority and leadership decisions.

House members will enjoy other degrees of stature.

Representative Nita M. Lowey will most likely become a “cardinal,” or head of an Appropriations subcommittee, probably dealing with foreign operations. Representative Jerrold L. Nadler’s reputation as a policy expert will be matched by new clout to win projects for Manhattan. And Representative Anthony D. Weiner, who is on good terms with the likely speaker, Nancy Pelosi, may find reasons to stay in the majority instead of running for mayor of New York City again in 2009.

“It’s not just committees — our influence within the House Democratic caucus will grow enormously,” Mr. Rangel said in an interview.

To that end, he sketched out an expansive federal agenda: Teaming up with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg on gun control, passing new tax incentives for urban job programs, and redirecting federal money to New York in return for the outsize tax collections that the federal government makes here.

Mr. Schumer and other members of Congress said they could not recall another time when the New York delegation would have so much pull...