break-open action single-shot rifle, what's the point?
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Sunray
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MSRP on an H&R is $266.49. MSRP for a Savage 111, as an example of a high quality, reasonably priced, bolt action is $591.00. The H&R lets a hunter without much money have a decent, BNIB, hunting rifle without having to find odd calibre/cartridge ammo. A milsurp Mosin Nagant will cost less, but the ammo isn't necessarily easy to get everywhere.
A hunter who uses a single shot rifle, in any chambering, tends to be very good with it too. A single shot rifle is more of a challenge too.
A hunter who uses a single shot rifle, in any chambering, tends to be very good with it too. A single shot rifle is more of a challenge too.
R.W.Dale
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Apples to oranges comparing as you put it an example of a high quality, reasonably priced, bolt action to a single shot with brushed on looking bluing and a stock made from the pallets parts arrive to the factory on.
Compare the NEF to the Stevens 200 or Marlin xl7 that can be bought for just under $300/ Rifles that shoot as good as anything with a sporter bbl but only cost about $50 more than a nef
With today's current selection of EXCELLENT entry level bolt actions the break action single shot with all it's annoying accuracy issues really makes less and less sense.
I've owned my fair share of Handi's and Encores I even have a handi at Remington now getting a 357bbl fitted ( sent 4 months ago) and there's no way I'd choose a handi over a entry level bolt gun for a one rifle to do all gun.
To answer the OP
They're shorter.........that's it
there used to be more reasons to choose em but the world of firearms has since moved beyond that
dmazur
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No argument from me. That's what drew me to the Ruger No 1 initially. Then I found out I liked the simplicity of loading/unloading a single round, and the challenge of hunting with a single round.
I will admit, however, that "brushed on bluing and pallet wood stocks" turned me away from the NEFs and similar offerings.
For younger shooters, the length thing is important. Also the safety and simplicity of a single shot with an exposed hammer.
I didn't see an analogy to bicycles, but the NEF's might be a little like a kid's first bike. If he (or she) stays interested in bicycles, you know he (or she) is going to outgrow it. And, at that point, I'd say the transition to a decent bolt-action would be appropriate.
And, there's a lot of adults riding "beater bikes" as commute bikes, now. No worries about them getting scratched or stolen. I've read that some NEF's find a home as "truck guns"...
R.W.Dale
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I do agree that as a youth gun the overall package of size and the super simplistic passive safety of the NEF is unsurpassed
Yay something else to google
Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me. (quote)
I bought an H&R in .223 and it came with an extra set of furniture in tactical black of course, it is a four point adjustable stock like an m-4 AR with a handguard that also looks like an AR handguard----- tactical single shot
I'll have to put it on something and post pictures, I've looked around to see who made it but haven't found anything, I do remember seeing an advertisement for all kinds of tactical doo-dads for the single shot.
Let's see some pics of that "tactical single shot" am so curious it's just killing me. (quote)
I bought an H&R in .223 and it came with an extra set of furniture in tactical black of course, it is a four point adjustable stock like an m-4 AR with a handguard that also looks like an AR handguard----- tactical single shot
I'll have to put it on something and post pictures, I've looked around to see who made it but haven't found anything, I do remember seeing an advertisement for all kinds of tactical doo-dads for the single shot.
chris in va
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You guys are also forgetting something. NEF will fit another rifle barrel for your receiver, at a substantial savings over new.
Heck if you have the rifle, they can fit a shotgun barrel to it. Not the other way around unfortunately.
Heck if you have the rifle, they can fit a shotgun barrel to it. Not the other way around unfortunately.
salvo
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I have been shooting Contenders since the early 80's, love the accuracy! If you know exactly were that one shot is going you rarely need a second.
.204 Ruger - My Coyote rig.
30-30 Super 14
7mmTCU & .22 LR 10"
.204 Ruger - My Coyote rig.
30-30 Super 14
7mmTCU & .22 LR 10"
Aren't we all
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Why not?
They're awesome!
That's the scientific reason
Marsh
They're awesome!
That's the scientific reason
Marsh
R.W.Dale
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I didn't forget. I mentioned that in another reply. But be prepared to wait Remington has had my NEF getting a 357 barrel fitted since December
Maverick223
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Good Question, I don't see any advantages that are not available in other platforms other than the low price. IMHO they are ugly, somewhat difficult to operate, not especially rugged, and just lack the grace of many other single shots (e.g.: falling block, rolling block, and even a trapdoor).
PAPACHUCK
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P.B. Walsh, Here's a pic of a "Tactical Single Shot for you...
NEF "Survivor", 22" Bull Barrel that is capable of MOA with match ammo, and 1.5-2MOA with Mil-surp or std factory ammo.
The "point" is....they're FUN!
NEF "Survivor", 22" Bull Barrel that is capable of MOA with match ammo, and 1.5-2MOA with Mil-surp or std factory ammo.
The "point" is....they're FUN!
Cannonball888
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A guy at the range a few days ago next to me was shooting 1 MOA with .223 handloads off a sandbag. Not sure what model break-open it was, but it had a thumb hole stock and a cheap-looking scope. Go figure.
Here is my new coyotte/deer rig. It shoots 1 1/4- 1 1/2" groups with cheap factory 1" to 1 1/4" with premium ammo and sub-moa with handloads. Take the pistol grip and barrel off. Slap a buttstock and rifle barrel on it and in 3-5 minutes its a .300 win mag or .22-250 or a muzzle loader. Whats not to like.
Maverick223
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Not really difficult, just clumsy IMHO.
mickeydim468
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I didn't see anyone mention the Rossi Matched sets. I bought the youth model with a 20Ga. .22lr and .243 Win for my wife as her first rifle ETC... She is now a hell of a shot with it. She don't shoot it very often, so it has turned out to be more like my gun that she gets to shoot. I love this gun. It is a heck of a lot of fun. To see the set Go here
I only paid $249 for the whole set BNIB. The longest rifle is the .243 Win. and it is 37.5" long and weighs just over 6.5 Lbs with a 4-16X40 scope on it. With the .22lr bbl on it is only 33.5" long. I added a slip on rubber recoil pad which made the LOP exactly the same length as my M1917 and reduced the felt kick tremendously. I plan on using this set up this year to hunt black tail deer. With the elastic ammo holder on the side of the butt stock I can reload almost as fast as I can with my bolt action M1917.
I have also found that I too make a conscious choice to pull the trigger only after making certain I am going to hit what I am aiming at. With this scope combo and the .243 Win bbl I was able to stay within 1.5 to 1.75" at 100 yds 3 or 5 shot groups. It didn't matter.
Here is a pic of mine in as tactical as it is going to get for a while. This is a pic of the rifle with the 3-9X32 scope. I will upload a pic of it with the big scope on it later.
I only paid $249 for the whole set BNIB. The longest rifle is the .243 Win. and it is 37.5" long and weighs just over 6.5 Lbs with a 4-16X40 scope on it. With the .22lr bbl on it is only 33.5" long. I added a slip on rubber recoil pad which made the LOP exactly the same length as my M1917 and reduced the felt kick tremendously. I plan on using this set up this year to hunt black tail deer. With the elastic ammo holder on the side of the butt stock I can reload almost as fast as I can with my bolt action M1917.
I have also found that I too make a conscious choice to pull the trigger only after making certain I am going to hit what I am aiming at. With this scope combo and the .243 Win bbl I was able to stay within 1.5 to 1.75" at 100 yds 3 or 5 shot groups. It didn't matter.
Here is a pic of mine in as tactical as it is going to get for a while. This is a pic of the rifle with the 3-9X32 scope. I will upload a pic of it with the big scope on it later.
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CoRoMo
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I've bought a Handi-Rifle with a Nikon scoped .270 barrel and a .30-30 barrel with iron sights. My kids will use this as they're growing up and joining me on elk, deer, bear, antelope, etc. hunts. As maturity permits, they can move up from one level of recoil and sights to another.
I'd rather not loan them a finer rifle and/or scope as they will likely damage or break it as they learn the responsibility of carrying the gun while hunting.
Along those lines, I've also got an NEF Pardner single shot in 12ga. for them to use for bird hunting. Cheap and easily replaceable if they mess it up.
Extending further down this road, I bought a Hi-Point C9 that my children are welcome to hone their chops on, rather than scratch Daddy's 1911 or break my other handguns.
Eventually they can shoot the finer stuff, but not until they get experience on the cheap stuff.
I'd rather not loan them a finer rifle and/or scope as they will likely damage or break it as they learn the responsibility of carrying the gun while hunting.
Along those lines, I've also got an NEF Pardner single shot in 12ga. for them to use for bird hunting. Cheap and easily replaceable if they mess it up.
Extending further down this road, I bought a Hi-Point C9 that my children are welcome to hone their chops on, rather than scratch Daddy's 1911 or break my other handguns.
Eventually they can shoot the finer stuff, but not until they get experience on the cheap stuff.
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I grew up on a single shot, break open .410 and a .22.
I tell you one thing, I didn't take everything I shot at, but I did learn how to make the most of my shots.
They are great guns for the dedicated hunter/sportsman and if I could ever latch on to a Rossi 7.62x39-- it would be my new hog rifle-- and I wouldn't ever switch.
I grew up on a single shot, break open .410 and a .22.
I tell you one thing, I didn't take everything I shot at, but I did learn how to make the most of my shots.
They are great guns for the dedicated hunter/sportsman and if I could ever latch on to a Rossi 7.62x39-- it would be my new hog rifle-- and I wouldn't ever switch.
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