breech plug removal and install new

[midland man]

so guys could someone tell me how to remove that breech plug? does it turn left or right to loosen looking at the back of the barrel? as I want to change my percussion rifle into a flintlock and I have already found the lock that fits and the lightning vent I need thanks to dog soldier on a another post and so I just need schooling on changing that breech plug?

 

[Stubert]

It is my understanding that a breech plug needs to be fitted, otherwise the flats will not line up properly. In answer to your question, right to tighten, left to loosen.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Make sure you remove the percussion drum before removing the plug. If this is a "Patent Breech", converting to flint lock can offer some problems. If the gun has a flat breech plug a few thousands behind the flash hole the conversion is easy.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/666/1

 

[1KPerDay]

As noted, IT DEPENDS. Who made your rifle? If it's the CVA type where they install the breech plug and then drill/tap through the side for an interlocking bolster, DON'T try to just turn out the breech plug. You will FUBAR your rifle.

 

[midland man]

As noted, IT DEPENDS. Who made your rifle? If it's the CVA type where they install the breech plug and then drill/tap through the side for an interlocking bolster, DON'T try to just turn out the breech plug. You will FUBAR your rifle.

investarms barrel 54 caliber 23in length

 

[midland man]

Make sure you remove the percussion drum before removing the plug. If this is a "Patent Breech", converting to flint lock can offer some problems. If the gun has a flat breech plug a few thousands behind the flash hole the conversion is easy.

https://www.trackofthewolf.com/List/Item.aspx/666/1

its a hooked breech plug tang stays in stock

 

[Dog Soldier]

Yes, but is the face of the plug recessed in a cone opposed to a flat faced breech plug?

 

[midland man]

Yes, but is the face of the plug recessed in a cone opposed to a flat faced breech plug?

not sure I haven't gotten it out yet, are you talking about the hook its more square?

 

[midland man]

and the drum is made as the whole part of the breech plug!

 

[Dog Soldier]

OK that is a patent breech. Some times those are hard to align the flash pan. It is important for the pan to line up in the Sun Set fashion.

 

[midland man]

yeah the nipple section is made as one piece of the breech plug no drum. and I am very green at this so guys please bear with me and hoping ya'll would educate me on these procedures! thanks guys!

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Like in TC Hawken, percussion, the breech and the nipple area are one single piece. You should be able to remove that plug. You will need a good vice, and you will need to use thick cowhide against the actual barrel, plus plywood between the vice jaws and the cowhide, to avoid marring your barrel.

However, Invest arms barrels (iirc) are European made barrels, SO you will need to check the threads in the barrel when you have removed the plug, to be sure you can order the right breech plug to convert it to flint, because a lot of then folks in the Old Country use the Metric system.

You might want to look around and see IF you can find an Investarms breech plug for flintlock as a part, and simply convert it over that way? IF you scroll down on this link..., https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufa...lintLockPercussion-InvestArms-Italy-38599.htm , Numrich gun parts shows actual right hand flintlock breech plugs for sale for less than $8.00. THAT should simplify your project by a huge degree. You also have a much better chance at getting that flint pan to line up with a touch hole that is positioned in the same spot as they are on the factory rifles, as your lock is meant to retro-fit an already flintlock rifle. OH that breech plug is without a touch hole liner, so you will need to get one of those..., I'd suggest an after market touch hole liner. There are several good ones available.

LD

 

[whughett]

Reading this thread reminds me of one of the reasons I own so many guns, two left thumbs, whole lot easier to just buy one ready to go.....

 

[midland man]

Like in TC Hawken, percussion, the breech and the nipple area are one single piece. You should be able to remove that plug. You will need a good vice, and you will need to use thick cowhide against the actual barrel, plus plywood between the vice jaws and the cowhide, to avoid marring your barrel.

However, Invest arms barrels (iirc) are European made barrels, SO you will need to check the threads in the barrel when you have removed the plug, to be sure you can order the right breech plug to convert it to flint, because a lot of then folks in the Old Country use the Metric system.

You might want to look around and see IF you can find an Investarms breech plug for flintlock as a part, and simply convert it over that way? IF you scroll down on this link..., https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufa...lintLockPercussion-InvestArms-Italy-38599.htm , Numrich gun parts shows actual right hand flintlock breech plugs for sale for less than $8.00. THAT should simplify your project by a huge degree. You also have a much better chance at getting that flint pan to line up with a touch hole that is positioned in the same spot as they are on the factory rifles, as your lock is meant to retro-fit an already flintlock rifle. OH that breech plug is without a touch hole liner, so you will need to get one of those..., I'd suggest an after market touch hole liner. There are several good ones available.

LD

okay wow! thanks loyalist dave this is exactly what my breech plug is infact I reckonize most of those parts on my rifle now that's good! https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1127240A.htm so this shouldn't be too bad to change over to flintlock

 

[midland man]

so here is the one I need! https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1127860A.htm

 

[44 Dave]

Some place on the net. I found institutions that I used to make a vent that goes in after you remove the nipple drum to change from percussion to flint. I had a CVA pistol I wanted flint and a rifle to change to percussion.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

so here is the one I need! https://www.gunpartscorp.com/Products/1127860A.htm

THAT'S IT!

Good luck to you, AND of course you MUST provide an update when your project is done. Some of us overly-office-desk-bound types need some vicarious black powder adventures from time to time.

LD

 

[perldog007]

I am most jealous of your skills. On my DPS Kentucky flint kit the only way to make the tang to stock fit on the breech correct and the sighting plane 'right' would be to replace the breech plug ( the tang is ground off center and too low on the right side facing from rear ) and correct the top flat on the barrel. A bit beyond my skills. I might be able to file it down some, but I'll probably just learn to sight around that warped breech area and live with it. Book of the Five Rings situation right there buddy ....

Breechview

• perldog007
• Mar 26, 2017

Bad Barrel from Davide Pedersoli and Sons. The top flat is off, when the breech plug was...

 

[perldog007]

My next kit might be the deer creek Philly Derringer, I want to see what the bottom of the barrel offers in cap lock kits dollar wise and I'd love to have little .45 caplock derringer because reasons. But I'm really working up to getting a Lyman GPR flint kit and re-inletting it for an
L&R "Drop in" by that I mean that the existing inlet can be reworked, instead of starting over with a new blank... I had thought about a pawn shop cap lock donor rifle but the counter guy pointed out that I would have to swap out more than the lock to the best of his knowing. Now he seems confirmed. Why I have want a store bought rifle with a premium lock and hand finished by self is beyond me. Taste in personal armament is highly individualized...
Maybe someday I'll be able to take a second hand gun down and convert it, refinish it. I'd like that.. wishing you the best of success! I love individualized home made guns. Even the horrid looking ones have a certain 'aura' or as my native friends say "Spirit".