Bring back the gun ban...it's for the children!

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Another whacko group has filed a brief in support of the DC gun ban. It’s painful to my brain to read this hogwash, the logic is nonsensical. In a nutshell, their argument for reversal seems to boil down to a lot of questionable statistics from biased sources, and the ban on firearms, handguns especially, is needed ‘for the children’. This whole brief looks rushed and there are some really dimwitted errors in the grammar and logic. Here are a few of my favorites:

HANDGUNS ARE STRIKINGLY MORE LETHAL THAN OTHER TYPES OF FIREARMS. OF THE ONE MILLION AMERICANS WHO DIED BY FIREARMS VIOLENCE BETWEEN 1962 AND 1994, MORE THAN TWO OUT OF THREE WERE KILLED BY HANDGUNS—A TOTAL OF MORE THAN 670,000 UNNECESSARY DEATHS.

Used more = more lethal? What kind of cockamamie logic is this? Stainless steel knives are more lethal than carbon steel knives because they are used more? Of course, this is in stark contrast to the other briefs in support of the DC gun ban that claim handguns are less effective than other guns for home defense.

HANDGUNS ARE LIGHT, PORTABLE, AND EASY TO HANDLE—THEY ARE ALSO ACCESSIBLE, ROMANTICIZED IN MEDIA ACCESSIBLE TO ADOLESCENTS, AND FASCINATING TO CHILDREN.

This isn’t much of a sentence; it sounds more like an attempt at subliminal suggestion. I think they are trying to promote the idea that the media is also accessible to adolescents, but I suppose they are trying to spread the blame around.

MOREOVER, CONTRARY TO THE POPULAR MYTH THAT GUNS ARE NECESSARY IN THE HOME FOR SELF-DEFENSE, ONE STUDY FOUND THAT THERE ARE FOUR UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS, SEVEN CRIMINAL ASSAULTS OR HOMICIDES, AND 11 ATTEMPTED OR COMPLETED SUICIDES FOR EVERY TIME A GUN KEPT IN THE HOME IS USED IN SELF-DEFENSE.

I think they didn’t put much time into proofreading. According to the study, every time a gun kept in the home is used in self defense, it simultaneously causes:
4 unintentional shootings
7 criminal assaults
11 suicides or suicide attempts

That’s one impressive gun! I think they meant that there were 4, 7, and 11 for every successful attempt according to that one study. I can see what they are trying to say, but the wording is clumsy.

GIVEN THESE STATISTICS, IT IS NOT SURPRISING THAT THE RESTRICTIONS ON ACCESS TO HANDGUNS IN THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA HAVE BEEN FOUND TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE INCIDENCE OF SUICIDES BY FIREARMS.

If you ban automobiles you will significantly reduce the incidence of suicide by CO² as well. All this is saying is that the ban isn’t effective because if it were, there would be few or no suicides by firearm.

ADDITIONALLY, THE REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF SUICIDES BY FIREARMS IN THE DISTRICT DURING THIS TIME DID NOT RESULT IN A CORRESPONDING INCREASE IN THE INCIDENTS OF SUICIDES BY OTHER MEANS. THUS, RESEARCHERS CONCLUDED FROM THE STUDY THAT RESTRICTING ACCESS TO FIREARMS REDUCED THE NUMBER OF SUICIDES COMMITTED:

Did you catch that? There was no increase of suicide by other means after the ban on handguns, so the rate of suicide stayed the same. The researchers concluded from this that restricting access to handguns caused a reduction in the number of suicides. Uh, what?

GIVEN THAT IN 2004, THE THIRD LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH NATIONWIDE AMONG YOUTH AGED 10 TO 24 WAS SUICIDE AND THAT THE RISK OF SUICIDE IS FIVE TIMES GREATER IN HOMES WITH GUNS, INVALIDATION OF THE LAW WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT DIE FROM SUICIDE.

Youth aged 10 to 24? Youth? Tell us the rate among youth from 10 – 18 and the numbers might have some meaning, (though probably not a meaning you want to publish). This is also an apples-and-oranges argument comparing deaths vs suicides in the selected age group.

UNINTENTIONAL FIREARMS DEATH DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTS CHILDREN: IN 2004, FIREARMS ACCOUNTED FOR 27 PERCENT OF THE UNINTENTIONAL DEATHS AMONG YOUTH AGED 10-19

Now it’s 10 -19. The selective sampling to twist the stats is so obvious the author(s) should be held in contempt for perjury.

BETWEEN 1987 AND 1992, ADOLESCENTS AGED 16 TO 19…
BETWEEN 1993 AND 1997, THOSE AGED 19 AND YOUNGER ACCOUNTED FOR…
IN 2004, FIREARMS HOMICIDE WAS THE SECONDLEADING CAUSE OF INJURY DEATH FOR PERSONS 15 TO 24 YEARSOF AGE…
FIREARMS HOMICIDE—NOT CAR ACCIDENTS—WAS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES BETWEEN THE AGES OF15 AND 34
BETWEEN 1985 AND 2002, THE FIREARMS HOMICIDE DEATH RATE INCREASED 36 PERCENT FOR HOMICIDES COMMITTED BY 15 TO 19 YEAR OLDS NATIONWIDE.
IN EACH YEAR AFTER 1985, HANDGUNS HAVE BEEN THE MOST USED HOMICIDE WEAPON BY JUVENILES (THOSE AGE 17 AND UNDER) NATIONWIDE.
CHILDREN AND YOUTH AGED FIVE TO 19 WERE AT LEAST 70 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE MURDERED AWAY FROM SCHOOL THAN AT SCHOOL.

I’ll stop there. They cannot seem to decide on a consistent demographic to represent adolescents or children or youth or juveniles.

II. COMPARING THE EXPERIENCE OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH
IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES

This whole paragraph is pretty much the same as the rest of the brief; they compare the US to very select countries in an attempt to support their position. They decided not to mention that firearms bans in many African countries have done nothing to end the genocidal level of deaths to youth by killers armed with firearms.

THE AUSTRALIAN GUN CONTROL MEASURES HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. A 2006 STUDY BY THE UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH FOUND THAT THE GUN CONTROL LAWS AND GOVERNMENT BUYBACK PROGRAMS COINCIDED WITH AN END TO MASS SHOOTINGS AND DRAMATIC DECREASES IN SHOOTING DEATHS IN AUSTRALIA.

Because we all know it’s preferable to die by being beaten to a pulp with a stick or carved up with a knife. It doesn’t seem to matter that the number of ‘deaths’ has remained the same.
 
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Maybe it would be best if everyone here filed an amicus curae brief also. If the Supreme Court is buried under briefs they won't have the time to read all the drivel and will have to rule just on the freaking facts of the case. :D
 
Don't you have to file a motion for leave to file an amicus curea brief or something first? Or is the brief included in the motion for leave?

Like:

"Hey, guys and gals, can I tell you about something?"

versus

"Hey, guys and gals, can I tell you about something? Here it is: blah blah blah."
 
The Aussie experience cuts against the antis:

The number of legal handgun owners there has skyrocketed since their "ban." This has corresponded with surveys showing up to 50% of the handgun owners ignoring the DC-style "safe storage law" in Australia that requires the handguns to be unloaded, trigger-locked, and locked away in a gun safe.

The antis are claiming Aussie "gun crime," suicide, and crime in general has decreased since the "ban" (let's ignore other pro-RKBA stats that may contradict that assertion). This alleged decrease is in the face of my two points; the anti's thereby FAIL in claiming that increased legal handgun gun ownership = increased homicide and suicide.
 
the only "it's for the children!" argument I see is how that the vast majority of gun criminals and gun victims are juveniles not legally allowed to even touch a gun.

You know what my response to that is?

ahem...

"Teach your kids right and punish them accordingly...its for the REST of the children!"

it's easily the stupidest argument ever used in the history of mankind; they pretend to care about a group of people that none of them represent or care about. If they did care, then they wouldn't be trying to ban everything that kids and young adults like.
 
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