Brinks and Open Carry in Illinois

[shotgunjoel]

So today I was in at the local Taco Bell and there was a Brinks driver there too. I was sorta suprised that he was open carrying. This doesn't bother me in the least, but here in Illinois all carry is prohibited except for OC in "rural areas." So my question is, is there some exception for security people? What hoops do they have to jump through to get around the laws here in the PRI?

 

[razorback2003]

On Duty

Most states allow licensed armed guards to carry their handguns to and from work and also while taking breaks, like lunch. The guard you saw was probably on his lunch break. All of these activities are within the scope of their duties. They generally cannot carry off duty, without another license...which Illinois doesn't seem to have...so they can only open or concealed carry while working.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Similarly, people who operate in sensitive areas or carry vast amounts of cash (such as armored truck drivers) can pack a machine gun in NYS. Not so for the rest of the peons.

 

[isp2605]

IL has a provision for armed security guards. They have to be qualified and licensed by the Dept of Financial and Professional Regulation.

720 ILCS 5/24‑2
(5) Persons licensed as private security contractors, private detectives, or private alarm contractors, or employed by an agency certified by the Department of Professional Regulation, if their duties include the carrying of a weapon under the provisions of the Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, Fingerprint Vendor, and Locksmith Act of 2004, while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment or commuting between their homes and places of employment, provided that such commuting is accomplished within one hour from departure from home or place of employment, as the case may be. Persons exempted under this subdivision (a)(5) shall be required to have completed a course of study in firearms handling and training approved and supervised by the Department of Professional Regulation as prescribed by Section 28 of the Private Detective, Private Alarm, Private Security, Fingerprint Vendor, and Locksmith Act of 2004, prior to becoming eligible for this exemption. The Department of Professional Regulation shall provide suitable documentation demonstrating the successful completion of the prescribed firearms training. Such documentation shall be carried at all times when such persons are in possession of a concealable weapon.

 

[shotgunjoel]

Alright, thank you.

 

[gc70]

The minions of the powerful always seem to get special privileges.

 

[Oro]

The minions of the powerful always seem to get special privileges.

Always?

Like Dick Heller did?

 

[748]

Didn't you know that people who protect rich people and/or their money get to can carry a gun?

 

[feedthehogs]

Didn't you know that people who protect rich people and/or their money get to can carry a gun?

And so do millions of law abiding citizens that aren't rich carry guns.

What's your point?

 

[Rmeju]

^^

Yes, those who live in a free state. I'd bet the amount of people carrying in IL, WI, and the "may issue (if your rich/connected)" states don't number in the millions.

Yet in those same places, those protecting the interests of the rich/powerful are generally allowed to be armed, while "the people" are not.

That was his point.

Rmeju

 

[Grey_Mana]

Regarding 720 ILCS 5/24‑2

Ok, so why don't gun clubs in Illinois start limited liability corporations to become private security companies. Jump through the hoops to get 'trained'. Your families, or at least your property, need protection.

Is there a way to legally be on-the-clock all the time without paying large sums of payroll tax (maybe be designated as self-employed or on comission?)

 

[shotgunjoel]

Grey_Mana, great idea, but something tells me that someone would catch on eventually and you would be SOL. I wish that would work here in Illinois, but I don't think that there's much of a chance of being successful.

 

[damien]

Ok, so why don't gun clubs in Illinois start limited liability corporations to become private security companies. Jump through the hoops to get 'trained'. Your families, or at least your property, need protection.

That would be fine, but the licensed guards that were produced under the program would still only be able to carry openly when on duty. It's plain as day in the statute:

while actually engaged in the performance of the duties of their employment or commuting between their homes and places of employment, provided that such commuting is accomplished within one hour from departure from home or place of employment, as the case may be

Also, from what I hear the gun they are allowed in Illinois is limited by statute to be a 6-shot .38 special revolver.

 

[subknave]

Maybe you could become a private investigator but there is probably some hitch in that also.

 

[Seenterman]

In NYC where CCW's by the insignificant peon is impossible and unheard of the armored car drivers who shuttle money into and out of the banks walks around with GUN IN HAND. This must be regular now because I've seen it twice in the past 2 months.

This happeneds now because one of them got robbed a few months ago by someone pulling the guards firearm out of the guards holster..

 

[Eightball]

Also, from what I hear the gun they are allowed in Illinois is limited by statute to be a 6-shot .38 special revolver.

In the option between packing "nothing" and packing a .38, I'll pick the .38 every time.

I've often wondered about the "incorporation" thing to be a "security" firm. And, if you are only allowed to CC/OC while "in commission of duties," couldn't you just loosely define your duties?

 

[shotgunjoel]

damien, the guy I saw had a Smith and Wesson M&P semi auto.

 

[damien]

damien, the guy I saw had a Smith and Wesson M&P semi auto.

Well good, that is something I heard a long time ago and all the guards I have seen have had revolvers. Maybe it is either wrong or they changed that rule. You don't actually see a lot of armed guards in Illinois. A lot of the time it is easier for places that need a guard to hire an off-duty LEO. That is exactly what a resturant I used to work for did on Friday and Saturday nights when I was a kid (we attracted fights for some reason - but only on Friday and Saturday nights when we had a lot of unaccompanied high school kids.) That was Rockford. I think different cities have different rules for allowing cops to moonlight.

 

[shotgunjoel]

Yeah I don't see any point in limiting the weapon to a 38 revolver other than they think it's less useful or they are just trying to be a pain in the a$$.

 

[Jeff White]

A lot of the time it is easier for places that need a guard to hire an off-duty LEO.

Off duty officers are often hired for places like that because they can actually take police action. This is important in the case you cited a restaurant where the kids hang out and fight. Did a few off duty tours at the local McDonalds years ago myself. A security guard, armed or not isn't going to be able to do anything if a fight breaks out except call the police.

 

[ilbob]

Also, from what I hear the gun they are allowed in Illinois is limited by statute to be a 6-shot .38 special revolver.

its not. But many security companies limit what their employees can carry, and if they do it is often limited to 38 spl revolvers.

on top of that, the companies often supply the guns and they already have revolvers. no reason to buy something new.