Flyboy
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No, sir! In America, you can have your gun, and you don't need a license.
(Britain) Farmer robbed - and police confiscate his shotgun
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The media, like it is here, is a tool of those in power in the U.K. to roll their agenda along. In the case of Ryan, selfloading rifles and shotguns etc were the target. The news and documentary film content and editing was aimed at precisely this end.
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Do they have any progun organizations in England? Perhaps they need to start a NRA of Great Britian. They might then have some political influence over their politicians.
The largest organization in the U.K. is the BASC (British Association for Shooting and Conservation).
While without doubt many in that organization knew a long time ago exactly what the battle was all about, much of the green tweed and welly boot crowd have been made up of sporting clay and estate owning pheasant shooters. Most without the slightest interest in rifle and pistol shooting of any kind.
Consequently a large slice of the wealthiest and most politically connected people in the organization and shooting in general twiddled their thumbs - while selfloader, pump, and later most rifle and pistol ownership was eliminated.
Not surprising is the ample provisions for the wealthy to own "estate rifles" for shooting for sport or culling deer and shooting vermin. All very good for those folk, and nothing for anyone else.
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While without doubt many in that organization knew a long time ago exactly what the battle was all about, much of the green tweed and welly boot crowd have been made up of sporting clay and estate owning pheasant shooters. Most without the slightest interest in rifle and pistol shooting of any kind.
Consequently a large slice of the wealthiest and most politically connected people in the organization and shooting in general twiddled their thumbs - while selfloader, pump, and later most rifle and pistol ownership was eliminated.
Not surprising is the ample provisions for the wealthy to own "estate rifles" for shooting for sport or culling deer and shooting vermin. All very good for those folk, and nothing for anyone else.
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Lo.Com.Denom
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According to Boothroyd, the inaugural meeting of the National Rifle Association in Britain, was at Wimbledon in 1860. They're still around and are as riven with controversy as their American cousins (unsure if they're one and the same, or not). And no, they don't have a whole lot of influence in the political arena.
Regretabbly, the only pressure-groups the government ever listens to are grieving parents (unless their children were soldiers, obviously). Grieving parents make .gov look baaad... Can't have that now, can we?
[Adopts well-oiled Blair expression #7 -- Inner anguish and empathy with your pain, coupled with grim determination to do something about it]
they're about to dump the NRA name - it gets confused with the American one and they see it as a liability.
"Politically, the National Rifle Association does not support calls for the general right to carry firearms for self-defence. We support the use and ownership or firearms where there is a need, for sporting purposes." Letter to the Minister, 2005
"We need to rebrand ourselves to some extent...National Shooting Centre is now marketed and is a name which expresses exactly what goes on here without any confusing militaristic overtone....The NRA also needs to change its name. This is for two good reasons. First, the reality is that wee need to move closer to the two other governing bodies to present a united front for target shooting in due course and must accept that we should adopt a suitable operating name....Second, our name, NRA, in any event, has unfortunately taken on a meaning which is seriously misunderstood and consequently too often damaging as representing a gun lobby by many in Parliament, the media, potential customer corporations, students and the public...accordingly civilian target shooting needs to take care that its condust is clearly seen as a recreational sport with all the colour and conduct associated with any other sport...the test is how we are seen or appear to be seen by the critical eye of the media" Chairman's keynote speech, July 2005
"Politically, the National Rifle Association does not support calls for the general right to carry firearms for self-defence. We support the use and ownership or firearms where there is a need, for sporting purposes." Letter to the Minister, 2005
"We need to rebrand ourselves to some extent...National Shooting Centre is now marketed and is a name which expresses exactly what goes on here without any confusing militaristic overtone....The NRA also needs to change its name. This is for two good reasons. First, the reality is that wee need to move closer to the two other governing bodies to present a united front for target shooting in due course and must accept that we should adopt a suitable operating name....Second, our name, NRA, in any event, has unfortunately taken on a meaning which is seriously misunderstood and consequently too often damaging as representing a gun lobby by many in Parliament, the media, potential customer corporations, students and the public...accordingly civilian target shooting needs to take care that its condust is clearly seen as a recreational sport with all the colour and conduct associated with any other sport...the test is how we are seen or appear to be seen by the critical eye of the media" Chairman's keynote speech, July 2005
Lo.Com.Denom
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Enlightening... Not sure how I feel about that, though. On the one hand it comes across as a bit spineless to ditch their name, for fear of enraging antis... On the other, it does make political sense to project a less controversial image.
What do you make of it, MK VII?
I for one will be more than happy when all the relevant target sports (and field-sports) associations get on the same page and present a united front. I would actually much prefer to see a single, strong organisation, rather than several, who are too weak to do anything for us.
What do you make of it, MK VII?
I for one will be more than happy when all the relevant target sports (and field-sports) associations get on the same page and present a united front. I would actually much prefer to see a single, strong organisation, rather than several, who are too weak to do anything for us.
danurve
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I think this thread has gone a little off key. What recent news of the 70 year old and his farm? Will he get his shotgun returned? Is he moving to the US?
solareclipse
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so.. no gun rights and now no speech rights. great. 
scary because others are looking at what they are doing and clearly liking it. 
scary because others are looking at what they are doing and clearly liking it. - Status
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