Browning Hi power serial number HELP

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Good morning, this discussion made me a little curious about an older HP, but even going to the Browning site didn't help much. The serial number on this one is 69C5XXX and the left side is marked "Made in Belgium" below "Browning Arms Company St. Louis and Quebec". Supposedly it was made prior to 1954, but what does the "C" mean?

Don
 
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Who told you they were MkII's? The top picture shows a "half moon" sight that is typically soldered in place. Can't tell on the bottom pic.

The top picture is an alloy framed Austrian police pistol, made in 1986. A Mark II.

The bottom picture is an Israeli contract sometimes called the Mark II 1/2, because some of the features they demanded were later incorporated into the the Mark III - the sights in particular. The late contract Israeli's can be ID'd by the rib under the frame running forward from the trigger guard. The only HP's with that odd feature. They were made from about 1985 to 1992, mine was made in 1990.

The various FN police contract guns are a world unto themselves. The agencies dictated whatever they wanted in sights, finish and even (with this Austrian) the aluminum frame. They are still Mark II's.
 
In conjunction with the OP's thread on BHP's, which came first?

a) the ring type hammer

or

b) the spur type hammer?

I have a '95 production BHP with the adjustable sights, and wood grips
that looks UNFIRED. It says made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal.
S/N is 245NVxxxxx. Many thanks for your help and response.
 
http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Hi Power Dates of Manufacture.htm

Earlier codes; 1954 to 1964 = 70000 to circa 115823, '64 to '69: T136568 to circa T261000, followed be the introduction of the 2-digit year code and "C". For example, a Hi Power made in 1973 would have a serial number starting "73C…" and so forth.

A 69C is an early C series gun. The guns prior to this were know as T series guns and are considered by many to the best of the best. I have a 72C and it is a great gun.
 
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IIRC the ring hammer came first. Spur hammers started with the C series guns.

Here is my pre-T series.

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FN made changes throughout production. The "T" series is considered the high point of workmanship and command a premium - that would be early to late 60's. The craftsmanship, the finish, the fitting was at its highest point.

The "C" series is probably the second level as far as craftsmanship and design is concerned. Many people will argue that the C series is just as good as the T series, but the "T" just has a cache' that the market puts a premium on.

The earlier guns (prior to 62) have the internal extractor and poor sights, but are still very collectible. The internal extractor is slightly problematic - they break. They are more valued as collectibles than as shooters.

The later guns, after the "C" (the Mark II) don't have quite the finish and workmanship of the T and C series guns - production became more automated and less dependent on hand finishing.

All Hi Powers, even the latest ones, are superb firearms, but the T and to a slightly lesser extent, the C, were the high water mark of Hi Powers.

If your C is in good condition then it's one of the best firearms ever manufactured. Shoot it. Enjoy it.
 
I have a '95 production BHP with the adjustable sights, and wood grips
that looks UNFIRED. It says made in Belgium, assembled in Portugal.
S/N is 245NVxxxxx. Many thanks for your help and response.

It's indeed a 95. Shoot it. Enjoy it. Then shoot it some more.
 
Hi Sarge!

Your 'L' serial number is before the time of keeping records of serial numbers in 1954. If there are any distinguishing stamp markings on it, you might have 'an occupation model'. From what I have read, from the late Hi Power guru, Stephen Camp
(http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com)
you might do well to keep that as a handle-but-not-fire-model. Occupation models have been tinkered, by the factory (ahem) 'hired help ala Schindler', and might not be a good day for you if you charged and shot that particular piece.
 
Fn High Power E serial number

Just picked up a HP with the serial number E 082xx. All numbers match and it has an internal extractor. Does anyone have any info on this series of HP's. Thanks
 
You guys think you have problems- I have a FN Hi-Power with serial # 42095. I think it's from the 1950s but can't find anything out about it as I'm told that large contracts in that era repeated serial numbers- what a way to run a railroad. It has to be from Europe as the US imported Brownings started with serial numbers in the high 50,000 range. It's definitely pre-1962 as it has the thumbprint on the right side of the slide and has the ring hammer of course. There are no extra markings to indicate German police use or anything like that and no stock slots in the back of the grip so it wasn't prewar. Even FN/Browning expert Anthony Vanderlinden couldn't hazard a guess without seeing it for hidden internal markings. Does anyone have a FN/Browning with a close serial number?

Best regards,
Bill in Cleveland
 
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You guys think you have problems- I have a FN Hi-Power with serial # 42095. I think it's from the 1950s but can't find anything out about it as I'm told that large contracts in that era repeated serial numbers- what a way to run a railroad. It has to be from Europe as the US imported Brownings started with serial numbers in the high 50,000 range. It's definitely pre-1962 as it has the thumbprint on the right side of the slide and has the ring hammer of course. There are no extra markings to indicate German police use or anything like that and no stock slots in the back of the grip so it wasn't prewar. Even FN/Browning expert Anthony Vanderlinden couldn't hazard a guess without seeing it for hidden internal markings. Does anyone have a FN/Browning with a close serial number?

Best regards,
Bill in Cleveland

Bill, post your question--with some good pics (required, really, for a difficult ID like this one) over on the "Hi Power Talk" web site. A guy whose user name is "gp35fn" can usually nail it down for you, even on the more obscure models of the BHP. Best,
JD
 
Hope someone can help with this. I have a Browning 9mm with serial #76C21xxx. According to Browning's site, they stopped using "C" to designate Hi-Power in 1976 and went to "245", and also changed the date of manufacture code. I would have guessed that I had a Browning Hi-Power manufactured in 1976. Also on the slide it says "Browning Arms Company Morgan, Utah & Montreal P.Q." Under that it says "Made In Belgium."
Can anyone give me some information on what I have? I also read that the "C" firearms were second in quality only to the "T" firearms. Any truth to that?
Thanks for the help!
 
Gosh there are a lot of different versions. I am also looking for some one with knowledge of the FN Browning HP 9 mm It has Fabrique Nationale D'Armes De Guerre Herstal BelGique Brownings Pattend Depose W8a 140 very small and Nazi Eagles . The front of the triger guard has _ R 195154 with an A on the mag. I need to buy some grips for the gun and the screws to hold them on . Any help would be great.
Thank You Wade
 
It has Fabrique Nationale D'Armes De Guerre Herstal BelGique Brownings Pattend Depose W8a 140 very small and Nazi Eagles .

It's (of course) a Hi Power made under German occupation. The grips would be the same traditional wood as any other Hi Power, though late in the war they did make some bakelite grips. Ebay is actually a pretty good place to find vintage Hi Power grips and parts.

There are actually subdivisions of the German occupation Hi Powers. Early in the war, they are fairly nice and then the finish drops off and real late in the war they dropped the magazine disconnect and the finish becomes very rough. There are rumors that some Hi Powers were sabotaged by FN employees, but I've never heard of anyone actually coming across one. I suspect that story is a myth started after the war when FN employees were trying to justify working for the Germans.

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I acquired a T series Hi Power right before Christmas. The serial # is T1758XX. I am guessing mid 60's?
 
Gosh there are a lot of different versions. I am also looking for some one with knowledge of the FN Browning HP 9 mm It has Fabrique Nationale D'Armes De Guerre Herstal BelGique Brownings Pattend Depose W8a 140 very small and Nazi Eagles . The front of the triger guard has _ R 195154 with an A on the mag. I need to buy some grips for the gun and the screws to hold them on . Any help would be great.
Thank You Wade

I think I have an extra pair of vintage BHP grips I would be willing to part with. PM sent.
 
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