Browning Hi-power thoughts?

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Starting to get into semi-auto pistols and have aquired a Ruger MkII, have a Glock34 on order and a friend of a friend has a coupla Browning Hi power pistols for sale. I tried the Brownings at the range but didn't get overly excited with either. Am I missing something? Anyone have opinions pro and con on Brownings? FWIW, one was made in 1979 and the other in 1989.
thanks for any comments.
Tom
 
As a range gun or a collectors piece, they're great. As a carry/home-defense weapon, you could do a lot better, especially if you don't plan on investing in some gunsmith work out of the box. There are many more modern designs that have surpassed the BHP in the reliability/durability department (Glock 19, M&P, P30). And I know there are going to be people on here who say "well I've had mine for XX number of years and it's never once malfunctioned." All I can say is good for you. However, go on M4Carbine.net and look at the Training AAR section and count how many pictures of industry professionals you see using BHP's. If you can find just one, let me know.

Per Massad Ayoob:

"There is, however, one other shortcoming with the 9mm Browning. The P-35 is not the most rugged of 9mm pistols. It was designed back in the '20s, remember, before using submachine gun ammo in pistols became the military paradigm, and before today's high-pressure self-defense loads. The gun being slim, the parts are relatively small and therefore relatively fragile. In addition, many pistolsmiths consider the Browning's parts comparatively soft in virtually every incarnation of the gun.

"From Venezuela to Great Britain, I've seen quantities of broken Brownings in government arsenals whose slides and frames were cracked by the brutal hammering of 9x19 NATO ammo. +P and +P+ loads also seem to be contraindicated. Listen to Bill Laughridge, who said to me, 'Tell your readers in all caps, DON'T USE +P IN HI-POWERS! It's been my experience that even a few magazines of +P will upset the locking lugs.'"
 
I'm a sucker for a "good deal" but I think I'll pass on buying the BHP's. I didn't shoot well with either one, my best shooting is with my kid's Kimber Gold Match .45. I think that'll be the .45 I'll lust after till next year.
Gentlemen, Thanks for the input.
Tom
 
OK, that's just non-sense.

While I'm not a huge fan of the Hi-Power myself, we have one. It's my wife's, and she loves it. They DO NOT need gunsmithing right out of the box. The only thing a Hi-Power needs to make it work is ammo.


HK-Freak said:
However, go on M4Carbine.net and look at the Training AAR section and count how many pictures of industry professionals you see using BHP's. If you can find just one, let me know.

The Hi-Power has served around the entire globe as more country's side-arm than the 1911. It has nothing it needs to prove.
 
With all do respect the Browning Hi Power is one of the most balanced and pointable automatics ever made. And that dear friends makes up for a lot of sins. Over 40 countries adopted this firearm for their military at one time or the other. And yes. I've never had a problem with mine and yes I did carry one in combat.:neener:
 
Get a compact glock 9mm or 40sw they are pretty much, the gold standard in polymer guns and have a lot of upgrades available for them, for drop in triggers , sights etc.

I have a browning hp that I carry right now, but it is really heavy for ccw.

There are a lot of other good polymer guns, like the SW MP and the SA XD, but glocks have the best reputation, for accuracy and reliability and great customer service.

A glock model 23 40 sw 13 shot, weighs about 20 oz. about the weight of a S&W snub nose 38 steel frame unloaded.
 
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I have a FEG PJK-9HP that has been 100% flawless in thousands of rounds. It is very accurate and a beauty to shoot. I really would like a REAL BHP and I'll get one some day. Few guns have surpassed the HP and even fewer are its equal in my opinion.
 
FYI- If you look, you will find a good number of commentaries showing that the "authoritative" Ayoob piece was a load of crap.
You can like or dislike the BHP, but to say they are lacking in reliability or durability is just plain foolishness and nonsense.
 
I currently have a mid-seventies Belgian made HP and shoot it very well. I load it up with the 147gr JHP and it feeds it without a problem. I used to own a newer HP in 40 that I also shot very well, but sold it, after trying to convince myself that I needed to rid myself of single action pistols. I wish I had that gun back. I think it is you either love it or you don't. If the gun doesn't feel right in the hand for you, take a pass on it and get something more suited for your tastes.
 
There are hundreds of FN Hi Powers being sold on the auction sites in the last months that are Israeli police trade ins. Some of them date back to the 1940's and have been in use all this time. All of them are serviceable... So, durability has to be rated as simply outstanding.

If you own a Hi Power you'll never need a gunsmith. You can take a Hi Power down to its component parts by simply knocking a few pins out. You can adjust the trigger down to about 5 pounds by replacing the hammer spring and removing the mag disconnect.

The factory trigger is just fine as it is. A bit heavy, but crisp. You can do some pretty amazing things with a Hi Power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTsi83Prr8k
 
HK-Freak: ...There are many more modern designs that have surpassed the BHP in the reliability/durability department (Glock 19, M&P, P30).
When was the last time you heard of a Hi Power "kaboom"? :scrutiny:

Per Massad Ayoob:
"There is, however, one other shortcoming with the 9mm Browning. The P-35 is not the most rugged of 9mm pistols.
Horsehockey. Swap out your recoil spring every 3-4,000 rounds and the gun will last for decades.


It was designed back in the '20s, remember, before using submachine gun ammo in pistols became the military paradigm, and before today's high-pressure self-defense loads.
Uh....there was ZERO difference between 9mm used in subguns and handguns during WWII. Again, replace your recoil springs and the gun will last.

The gun being slim, the parts are relatively small and therefore relatively fragile. In addition, many pistolsmiths consider the Browning's parts comparatively soft in virtually every incarnation of the gun.
Fragile compared to the aftermarket parts being sold by.....the guy dissing the fragile HP parts. Original FN parts don't break or wear out any faster than a 1911 or any other mans gun.

"From Venezuela to Great Britain, I've seen quantities of broken Brownings in government arsenals whose slides and frames were cracked by the brutal hammering of 9x19 NATO ammo.
Venezula ain't in NATO.
Where else would you expect to see broken firearms.....in a Starbucks? Imagine that, broken guns in a government arsenal. Whoodathunkit.:rolleyes:

+P and +P+ loads also seem to be contraindicated. Listen to Bill Laughridge, who said to me, 'Tell your readers in all caps, DON'T USE +P IN HI-POWERS! It's been my experience that even a few magazines of +P will upset the locking lugs.'"
Odd, I've run 500 plus rounds of +P through one of my MkII Hp's and there is no noticeable wear anywhere.

I would bet those .40S&W Hi Powers kaboom far more often than.... say a Glock fotay?
 
I own 3: One WWII, one late 1980s MKIII and a Hungarian clone. All shoot very well and I've never had any malfunctions. I love them and they shoot well. The later MKII and MKIII guns have better sights compared to the earlier ones.
 
My buddy regularly carries a circa-1964 High Power, and has for years. He loves it, and his Grandfather carried before him. Definitely something that you could put on a resume'.
 
The Browning High Power is one of those guns every pistol aficionado should have at least one of before he can call his collection of classic semi-autos complete. And, no, my collection isn't "complete" yet...:eek:
 
I like my HP-- Nickel plated--made by FNH
I put target sights on it & reduced the trigger pull to 1 1/2 #
I is a super target pistol.
I don't use it for self defense--too dangerous

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I'm old, and to this date I have never handled a 9mm auto that even comes close to the balance and pointability in my hand. Even interior machining is more precise than anything I have ever seen. Can't say enough, fine example of human engineering skill
 
You're doing the right thing, trying out pistols on the range before purchasing. The best pistol is the one that handles well, aims easily, and is accurate under your control. You will then know the right choice.
 
Seems like the BHP has a fan club! There is something I like about the pistol and may reconsider the purchase of one or both of the ones I tried. Both have fixed sites. Looking to further my education here, how do I know if it has a cast or forged frame? Where/how to look for cracks or wear points? I have both ser#'s and apparently one is a 1979 and the other a 1989. Any significance to these mfr dates?
 
From the link I provided above:

Pistols having the cast frame will be Mk III's and variants that have "ripples" around the magazine well. These are horizontal grooves that are clearly visible. If they do not, the frame is forged. Everything before the Mk III has a forged frame. The early Mk III pistols did as well. The advent of the forty-caliber Hi Power brought about the change.
 
Any idea on pricing? I was in the store today and saw a used BHP for sale. I'm not a BHP expert, but I've wanted one for a while. I believe it was made in Belgium, and it had a spur hammer and adjustable sights. Seemed to be in decent condition. I'm thinking about going back on Monday for a test drive.

It was tagged at $750. Is this reasonable? The ones on GB seem to be $850ish, but AIM surplus was selling them for $400, and new MkIIIs are under $700. I'm so confused.
 
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