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Budget friendly bushcraft knife (elbow grease required)

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  1. squarepants33889

    squarepants33889 Member

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    So, in preparation for a northern Saskatchewan fly in canoe trip, Ive been on the search for a budget friendly, rugged work knife.
    I didnt want to take sentimental favourites, as I have been warned that its easy to lose and damage tools on this sort of excursion.
    I stumbled across a Condor Bushlore.
    The knife was horribly finished (or unfinished as it were), but contained a solid backbone with which to work.
    The knife sold, taxes included, for under $50.
    It required about 8 hours of filing and sanding, shaping and sharpening, oiling and buffing.
    There was a painted coating covering the flats of the blade that I removed by sanding.
    I am tickled pink with how it turned out.
    There are a few details I could have spent a little more effort on, but I think the finish is useable without being worried about regular use causing any damage.
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    If anyone has any field use with this blade, I would be happy to hear from you.
     
  2. Sam Cade

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    That is about par for the course for CTK.

    What was the edge like?

    One of the problems that Condor seems to constantly battle are overly obtuse (to the point of the knife being non functional) edges. It is frustrating that the Imacasa/Condor manufactured Marbles branded machetes ship just stupid sharp, so they could properly sharpen their knives if they chose to.

    Buying a Condor is a bit like buying a sheath and getting a knife free sometimes. ;)
     
  3. Piraticalbob

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    Should have bought a Mora. Ready to go right out of the box.
     
  4. Sam Cade

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    Not much entertainment value in that though. ;)
     
  5. GLOOB

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    8 hours? Sounds like someone needs a $6.00 coarse stone for Xmas. :)

    Enjoy the trip. A $50.00 Condor would be my expensive knife.
     
  6. hso

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    Nice job on dressing up the Condor!

    The question is whether Condor's heat treat is good enough to have made paying more for the knife than a perfect Mora worthwhile.;)
     
  7. Sam Cade

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    I can totally believe it. Let me dig around my knife box to find a representative example.
     
  8. Sailct41

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    I really like simple knives. My favorite is the Schrade Pro Hunter 1 PH1 the only problem is you need to use a brass cleaner and make sure it is an old USA version not the Chinese one for obvious reasons. I paid 35 for my first one but now they are starting to get a little more expensive.
     

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    ...and a typical Condor edge.


    Looks like the bow of a Soviet icebreaker and is about as sharp.

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    Perfect for mixing cakebatter. Useless as a cutting implement.
     

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  10. squarepants33889

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    The edge was reasonably straight, but too obtuse (I think that's the right word). The edge was also "sharp", but very convex and made it hard to shave nice ribbons from a green stick. The bulk of the actual shaping work was on the handle and tang(wasn't perfectly flush). Most of the time was spent on the sanding and polishing. 100,150, 240, 320, 400, 600, 12micron, 3 micron grit made the blade really come to life. The epoxy paint was covering some pretty coursely finished flats.
    Then 6 coats of BLO and buffing in between.
    I didt it while the wife zoned out on reality tv, so I was hardly "wasting" my time by comparison!
    I do also like mora's. Probably the best knife in its class for the price, but this full exposed tang heavy bladed condor steps it up a notch. If the blade proves to hold an edge, I think it stacks up well against some semi custom jobs worth nearly 4 times the price.
    I'm not sure about exact hardness. Advertised at 56-58, it was quite a job finishing the Scandi grind off with a 200,300, 400, 600diamond stone, so I think it might be on the higher end of the hardness scale. Almost too hard.
    I finished off the Scandi grind with a 20 degree secondary bevel.
    Now, countdown to the canoe trip to test this bugger out!
     
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  11. GLOOB

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    Anytime you spend hours customizing a knife, you rightly ought to like it much more than something off the shelf. That obtuse edge is a feature. It's a custom edge still in the wrapper.

    Sam, the point of that knife looks to me around 35-40 degrees.

    The Svord website relates a story about Bryan Baker's first customer taking his knife out of the store and immediately dropping it point first into the sidewalk. Upon examining the knife, he grunted his approval. I wasn't too impressed with this anecdote after unboxing and examining my first Svord, a Peasant. I estimated the edge angle of the tip to be around 55-60 degrees, at the time. And that's on a 3" pocket knife. I never measured the thickness of the secondary bevel, but my eyeball put it in the 50 mic range with maybe a 40 degree inclusive angle thru most of the blade. The edge didn't meet anywhere near the middle, but at least it was straight - and extraordinarily sharp, considering the edge angle.

    Kit knives are fun, aren't they? :)
     
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  12. Fred Fuller

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    Hey, you made it your own. And it looks good, too. Hope it performs well for you, so it justifies all the attention you lavished on it!

    How about an AAR when the shakedown is over? Plus an 'after' pic?
     
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    Interesting thread. Currently I'm trying to improve the edge on my Condor 5" Basic Bushcraft knife. For me it's become more of lesson in freehand sharpening than anything else.
     
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    Fred, I think that 2nd pic IS the after pic.
     
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    Fred meant after the trip.
     
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    About 15 years ago I bought 4 knives from Condor. 2 were 7"Bowie's. The other 2 were matching folders. They all had Seki -City blades on them. I don't know what steel they used, but it is high grade steel. About 5 years ago I picked up a Condor 'Combat Machete ' . It was made in El Salvador. It is a short sword with a 12" blade. It is made of 420HC S.S.& has a nice rubber 1 hand grip . It came with a well made lather sheath. The edge on it was Straight & the correct shape for brush. & lite wood . It has a gray finish & looks fine for a brush knife . The knives are real works of art & I have kept them that way for my grandsons . The machete gets used & works great it's blade is scratched, but still looks fine! I recommend this company as they do make some fine blades! I wish all knife companys made as good knife sheaths as Condor provides w/ its blades!
     
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    That is a different Condor, Condor Sport Knives
    http://blackjack.0catch.com/pages/condor.htm


    Condor Tool and Knife is a house brand (targeted at rich americans) for IMACASA in El Salvador and has only been around for 8-9 years I think.
    http://www.imacasa.com/
     
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    Yep, the Condor line from Blackjack is entirely different from Condor knives from El Slavador.
     
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    I wouldn't go as far to suggest that the OP "should" have bought a Mora. But certainly the cheapo Moras are excellent knives for bushcraft, and you don't have to cry if you lose it.
     
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    12/12 found me taking my own medicine - I ordered another Condor Bushlore and a Mora Companion - then total $43.34 with 'free' 2 day s/h. I intended on carrying the Mora in the Condor's sheath - a perfect fit - while I sharpened the Bushlore. oops! They are still in their own sheaths. After some strop time, the Bushlore became my gardening/yard knife for over a year. No longer 'cutting' printer paper, it is time now for the LN, and still razor sharp, Mora to ride in the Condor's sheath - while I re-edge the Bushlore - when I get to it, of course.

    The Condor Bushlore is a great value.

    Stainz
     
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    Well, time for an update.
    I pulled the Condor Bushlore out for a winter revitalization.
    It's had a season of unforgiving use and I think I have enough experience to finally sound off about my opinion of this reasonably priced "tank" of a knife.
    I think the word tank is a very appropriate metaphor.
    It is heavily built and very tough. I have never worried about breaking it, but it is also not a finesse tool in any sense of imagination.
    The knife has survived a wilderness trip where, as you could imagine, it was called upon to perform a variety of daily chores. It excelled in the brutish tasks like whacking branches from trees and skinning sticks and kindling, but it's ability to perform fine tasks like cleaning fish and preparing food was hampered by it's incredibly thick blade. The sheath is awesome, and was capable of securing the knife throughout a week of all the rigors included in a canoe trip.
    It was also used through a season of camping where it provided the family a supply of marshmallow sticks and "arrows" for a greenstick bow.
    The blade is very easy to sharpen, and maintains an edge as well as any carbon steel knife I own. Maybe better. Unfortunately, the same carbon steel is about as weather and element resistant as day old newspaper.
    After a single evening of being left outside, the morning dew had wreaked havoc on the nice blade I had spent so much time polishing. I am fairly diligent about cleaning and oiling my tools, but nonetheless, after a summer of use the blade had a "patina" that made it appear ten times its actual age.
    I know some people like this, but its not exactly what I'm after.
    Pretty much the same goes for the brass pins. They look nice when shined up, but it doesnt seem to last very long before the tarnish starts to make it look old and uncared for.
    All in all, I guess there was really no surprises at all. And that was the disappointing part. I was hoping to have "discovered" an affordable gem.
    The knife has no real faults, other than being constructed of materials that simply have limitations and being designed a little on the clumsy side.
    The tool was tough and reliable, but certainly not an all uses all star.
    I had to spend an evening with an assortment of abrasives and oils to get the old girl looking new again, and I suppose thats a quality in its own right. It can be easily restored with a little elbow grease.
    I will continue to use this knife as a general camping chore knife, kept in drawer in the trailer, but my search has not yet ended with respect to the perfect back country knife.
    I'll include a couple pics to give y'all an idea of how this knife weathered the season.
     

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    Sounds as if you would prefer a knife in stainless steel for ease of maintenance. If that's the case, a Marttiini Lapp Knife would be a good choice. It's similar in size to your Condor, and just a bit more in price. Marttiini makes fine knives, generations of Americans have used them, mainly the fileting knives imported under the "Rapala" name.
     
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    Good job.
     
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    I do love that"nordic" style. I have often looked at knives like that and Helle and even the Mora's. My only hesitation is the lack of full exposed tang. I'm not sure this is as important as I once believed, but it has been a criteria of mine until now. As it turns out, I don't usually choose to use my knives in situations where they take that much abuse. (Those situations are when I get the chance to pull out my expensive Axe!)
    In fact, this whole knife journey has been a learning experience. Experience being the optimal word. Many expectations I had were changed after field use.
    I think you are right about the stainless. I wanted to give good old carbon steel a chance, just because of everything I have read with regards to ease of sharpening and bushcrafting, but the truth is that stainless is much more forgiving and requires much less maintenance on a tool that is designed to be used hard in adverse conditions.
     
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    Thank you for sharing your experience. I've been looking to get my "first" large woods blade and have been looking at the affordable Condors, like either the Hudson bay or the moonshine version but I think your experience with the steel will translate. But then I hear good things about the Schrades too. I was oogling over the ontarios and cold steel blades in the next $80-100 price range but I think until I get a better appreciation for what I want and need, I'll instead get one of these and a mora to abuse and practice on, and your experience reaffirms that I probably won't be disappointed with the durability and utility.

    What did you use to reshape the grind? Is it doable with a stone or should an inexperienced user just have it done professionally?
     
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