Buffalo Bore 180 grain Hard Cast LFN "Heavy .357 Magnum": nice stuff

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I recently tried a box of Buffalo Bore's heavy 180 grain .357 Magnum ammo, Item # 19A20, in my revolver and lever carbine. I got good accuracy and very reasonable recoil for the power involved. Buffalo Bore's data indicates that the 180 grain slug is good for 1375 fps from a 4" sixgun barrel, and they have a reputation for reliability in their ballistic claims.

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357

This is efficient premium ammo, cast with a wide meplat. Here's a Gunblast.com review of the same load from a couple years back:

http://www.gunblast.com/MilesFortis-AKChurch_BuffaloBore.htm

While Messrs. Church and Fortis used single action revolvers for their exploration of the Buff Bore ammo, my test handgun was a 4" Ruger GP100 wearing Pachmayr Gripper grips. I have owned tonier .357s made by Colt and Smith & Wesson, but they have since been sold off; the Ruger workhorse remains. It is an accurate gun with a nice double action trigger.

Compared to Church and Fortis's impressions, I was surprised with how manageable the recoil was from these hard-hitting rounds in the DA sixgun. Felt like a mild .44 Magnum. The GP100's stout frame and the rubber grip just soak up recoil. I could have fired a hundred rounds without fuss -- if my wallet permitted. ;)

Point of impact was a little high (my GP is sighted in for medium weight bullets) but right on for windage. I don't think you could ask for much more in a full-power .357 Magnum sidearm than the GP100 loaded with these heavy Buff Bore rounds.

The 180 Hard Cast LFN also proved surprisingly well mannered in my 18.5" barreled Marlin 1894C lever carbine. Buff Bore clocks the ammo at 1851 fps, in this very gun. I believe this; Church and Fortis measured 1847 fps from a 16" Winchester 94 Ranger. Yet it doesn't feel like you would expect 180 @ 1851 to feel. Again, very efficient load. The heavy flat-nosed bullets shot to point of aim with ghost-ring sights at 25 yards (the furthest I was able to test).

If I wanted to take my Marlin hunting, or use it for outdoor protection, the BB 180 ammo would be an obvious choice.
 
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Plainsman,

It's funny you should write this about the BB ammo. I've been working on a handloaded 180 gr hard cast lead round for my GP100. Penn 180 hardcast in an SSK design to be exact.

WARNING, THIS IS TEST DATA AND MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR YOUR GUN! PROPER LOAD DEVELOPMENT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. (In other words, don't blame me or THR if you blow yourself or your gun up.)

12 gr of 2400 results in a nice load of 1250 fps (specifically clocked at 1247, 1249, 1250, 1253 and 1251). I mean, this thing was such a nice shooting load. Recoil was pretty soft too. Very much a "gentle load" in my 6" GP.

I've pressure tested loads up to 13.5 gr of 2400 in my 6" GP100 with no signs of over-pressure. It's a total guess, but I'd bet these loads push a 180 gr hardcast out at near 1400fps...

And to think, I was really looking for a solid hog load. Now I think I've come up with a very decent backcountry load for just about anything in California.
 
Heavy slugs have a lot of advantages.

I've fired some full-tilt .357 Magnum ammo with the lighter bullets, and it was a much more hectic experience than the Buff Bore 180s. I particularly recall a box of Armscor 125 grain FMJ from the Philippines. This was straight-up 1935-vintage, forged-steel N-frame .357 Mag ammo. Spectacular muzzle flash and blast. Plenty of recoil too. My GP100 skipped a chamber under the recoil. Frankly, I'd have loved to see how that Armscor FMJ performed against body armor, but that's another subject.

The one thing that makes the 125 grain .357 Magnum worthwhile is its reputation as a combat round. But that's enough.

Even in this day and age of fancy autoloaders, there are still a lot of seasoned LEOs out there who give accounts like R.K. Campbell's: "I observed the effect of the .357 Magnum 125 grain JHP once over the top of my own sights. The effect was gruesome. A solid hit that produced a severe blood flow AND dramatic effect from the rear, including lung tissue thrown perhaps three feet."

Unpleasant reading, but it conveys the point. (Campbell revealed in another context that the target in this incident was actually a large vicious dog.)
 
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P.Plainsman

Thanks. I heard of Cabala's before but never been in one. To be honest, I thought it was just a " catalog" store. According to their website ( thanks for the link by the way) the closest one is about an hour from me. Not bad. Looks like i'll be heading there on the weekend.:D
 
The armscor 125gr 357's were the most
nasty one's i ever shot.P. Plainsman
is right on the mark about the muzzle
flash/blast.I fired 50 thru a M-28
and felt recoil was on par with 44
mags fired thru my redhawk.I also
had burned hair on a couple of my
fingers.BTW armscor advertised the
velocity at 1775 from a 5.5"
barrel if i remember right.
 
The Cabela's in East hartford won't be open until fall of 2007.

You need to make a trip down to PA. It'll be worth it.:what:
 
I have fired a lot of the Federal Castcore 180 grain loads in several .357s. In a Colt King Cobra 4", they are easy shooting. Step down to a 2 1/2" Model 66 or Ruger Security Six and they are downright unpleasant (IMO). The heavier, longer, rubber-gripped KC is a completely different experience.
 
I still need to chronograph some of that stuff out of my 20" Rossi carbine. The velocities they list make it near .30-30 ballistics! I can't even come close to that by handloading, not with reasonable pressures.

Even in this day and age of fancy autoloaders, there are still a lot of seasoned LEOs out there who give accounts like R.K. Campbell's: "I observed the effect of the .357 Magnum 125 grain JHP once over the top of my own sights. The effect was gruesome. A solid hit that produced a severe blood flow AND dramatic effect from the rear, including lung tissue thrown perhaps three feet."

Unpleasant reading, but it conveys the point. (Campbell revealed in another context that the target in this incident was actually a large vicious dog.)

Jeez, sounds like a rather unpleasant experience. :eek: Only thing I've killed with the .357 is a couple of deer and they fell quite dead post haste just using a 158 grain SWC. The 180 grainers I've handloaded are the XTP Hornady JHP. They go pretty good pushed along by AA#9. It's a good hunting load for big stuff like hogs and of course can take down a deer just fine.
 
Plainsman --

Thanks for the review. The GP100 is on my short list of revolvers I want to obtain to pack with me when I'm in the woods. Since I spend little time in areas with big grizzlies, it sounds like the Buffalo Bore stuff is the thing to have. I know CorBon also loads a similar 200gr. hardcast. Have you or anyone else had any experience with this load?

Kevin
 
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