Bullet Velocity Affecting Barrel Life

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My biggest complaint with downloading a cartridge is the loss of accuracy. A good friend that I go to the range with owns a .22-250 that he has downloaded to less then .223 velocity. I'm someone that strives for accuracy, when I see my friend's gun shoot 4" groups it makes me want to cry. To give up accuracy to get a few hundred more shots out of a barrel seems senseless.

I guess if I wanted a cartridge to do something it wasn't designed to do I'd buy a different cartridge.

Didn't mean to offend anyone, just wanted to point out reality.
 
I've burned out more than my fair share of barrels. I fully admit, I tend to load on the upper end of the spectrum in my prairie dog rifles, and couple that with light-for-caliber projectiles.

My last 243 barrel lasted to almost 3500 rounds, using a stiff load of 4895 over Sierra BK 55gr bullets. My 22-250AI only made it to 2200 rounds.

I fully accept the shortened barrel life in order to maximize velocity and accuracy. Thats why most of my PD rifles are Savages. I can rebarrel them at will!

I'm now up to 7 rifles that don't leave the safe until PD season. However, there are exceptions. My 280AI seems to have a sweet spot loaded below regular 280, and the 260 in happiest right in the middle of the load. BTW - I use H4895 in everything but the 280AI. It seems to have the most consistent velocity across the range of temperatures I shoot in.
 
Originally Posted by M1key
Heard claims of nearly doubling barrel life in a 22-250 by backing off loads from 3800fps to around 3400-3500. Don't know if it's true or not since I don't shoot it. Others might chime in...


Why would anyone with 1/2 a brain do something like this? I'll never understand people owning a gun then crippling it by shooting very light loads. Before I loaded a .22-250 down to 3400 fps I'd buy a .223.

Because shooting my .220 Swift at .22-250 velocities, the throat will last much longer than a .22-250 pushing max all the time. I typically run loads between the .22-250's max and the .220's max (50 gr. @ 3,950 FPS is my go-to).

This practice also extends brass life considerably.

I also never let the barrels on my varmint/hunting rifles to get too hot to touch.

Do what you want, but I promise you that maxxing out high pressure rifle cartridges for every shot drastically shortens your barrel life, especially if you do not allow it to cool between strings.

Another thing about downloading, you're giving up accuracy too because the loading density is down.

That's why there are different powders; Some use more volume than others for the same charge weight.

As well, the most accurate loads typically aren't max loads.

Shoot it and enjoy it. When the barrel is shot out rebarrel. I've done it and will do it again too.

Not all of us want to do that annually or more. I have shot more than 2,000 rounds in a season at praire rats from one rifle. Using max loads, it would have been losing accuracy before the season was over.

It's not velocity that kills a barrel, it's the heat of the burning powder. And a barrel will only last a finite amount of powder. Load it down, you may get 200 more rounds out of it, great trade off, performance for 200 more shots.

That's the biggest load of brave sierra I've seen in awhile on this board. Barrels are not fuel tanks that run out after X number of miles, regardless of speed.

I'm not a mellow handloader, and have pushed pretty much everything well beyond published data at some point. But as I've gotten older and gained experience, I've learned that sometimes it's not the best way. For instance, there are a couple of ways to build a fast car. One way is to go with a really wound up turbocharged engine of smaller displacement, the other is with more cubic inches. Guess which engine lasts longer making the same power? It's no different with firearms. You can try to crank up your .223 to near .22-250 levels (done it), or you can load a .22-250 moderately for the same performance and not have ruptured cases, peirced primers and prematurely eroded throat/rifling leade. There's a good reason I sold my .223 and got a .220 Swift.
 
Mach, as I mentioned earlier, I take 2 or more rifles with me on P-Dog shoots, guess what the other one is!!! .220 swift! I load mine to right at the same velocity you do. Not quite maximum and it is another rifle with a Hart barrel. And it to has well over 5000 pills down the tube. BUT it is starting to show some abuse in the throat. A new load I came up with is the 50 gr V-Max set over 45.5gr H380 and it seems to have settled down again but that is a pretty hot load. I'm thinking I will have to baby the hell out of it this year but this will probably be her last P-Dog seminar with this barrel. Setting the bullet out a couple of more thousandths helped as well. Pretty much maximum that I can and it still feed without issue.
 
if you can shoot out a barrel - you will know its a consumable item...good info here from the people who shoot enough to do it! if you can afford to shoot out a barrel you will most likely also buy a high end barrel - not because its expensive, but because you will get the money out of it! +1 on easy Savage barrel replacement (and AR-rifles). Look at what you spend on ammo to do it....if you are loading for "barrel life" - you have it all wrong.
 
it to has well over 5000 pills down the tube

Dang! Guess I'll be using a Hart when my factory tube gets shot out.

I'm hoping for 2,500-3,000 at least. My load is also a 50 gr. V-max BT over 44.0 grs. H-414 using CCI 500 primers and an OAL of 2.710". This load shoots .67 MOA @ 200 in the Factory M77 varmint barrel. Sure, I could push another 100 or 150 FPS, but why? This load is accurate and flat shooting, having claimed rats as far as 782 yards (not on the first shot, but still.........)

My other P-dog guns are a .22 Hornet for close-in work and a .17 Rem. for medium range. Sometimes I take my 6mm Rem or .25-06, but they're sporters and, while accurate, do not shoot as well or recoil as gently as the varmint guns. My next varmint rifle is going to be a 6mm-06 AI on a 700 action with a 28" tube. That should really reach out there.
 
Mach, while Hart does make some excellent barrels, I'd have to contribute more to the fact that I really don't heat up the barrels while shooting. 5 to 7 shots MAXIMUM then I switch out rifles when I am on a large colony of dogs. I take 2 .22/250's and my .220 swift. This gives plenty of cooling time so as not to be firing on a cherry throat. Took me several barrels over the years to learn this about my screamers. I had just went along with the crowd thinking it was just the nature of the beast. One of the machinists at Hart (been a loyal customer for a lot of years) let me in on the secret for extending barrel life on the real cooker cartridges.
 
Bullet Velocity

Hey guys what about a 180 grn @3,000 fps from a 300 WBY Magnum shot only after :what:the last shots heat has completely cooled
 
Kachok I would be very interested to hear the metallurgical side, its my college major and I'm trying to learn as I can.
 
Trapper, I have 3 .300 win mags and an OLD (1960's era) .300 WB that has fired countless rounds. Not a one of them shows any deformation of the throat to date. It's rare that one can withstand the beating of a .300WB enough to hurt the barrel. Your shoulder will give up and say uncle WAY before you can fast fire one enough to cook the barrel off.
 
Hey guys what about a 180 grn @3,000 fps from a 300 WBY Magnum shot only after the last shots heat has completely cooled

It is very rare to shoot out the barrel on big game rifles, even the overbore magnums like .300 Weatherby and .300 RUM. Most people do not shoot them rapidly, and typically one will not put 1,500+ through such a gun in a lifetime. I've shot maybe 100 rounds out of my .375 RUM, and I've owned it since 2003.
 
So, according to the chart .50 BMG should have a barrel life or what, 75 rounds?

I think the hypothesis is lacking the velocity componet.

BSW
 
According to the chart a 223 Rem should have a much longer barrel life than a 30-06.

Since the only arena I can think of where 223 and 30-06 are shot "side by side" is High Power competitions, I'd say that the 223 will lose accuracy sooner (generally speaking, there is an exception to everything).

Jimro
 
Riddle me this (based on the powder weight/pressure/velocity/overbore ratio issues above):

Two bullets, each a 52gr Speer HPBT, both going 3,900fps out of a 24" barrel.

In the 220Swift, that requires 41.7gr/RL-17 at a nominal 55,000psi
In the 22-250, that requires 40.1gr/RL-17 at 62,400psi

Swift is more powder/less pressure
22-250 is less powder/more pressure

Which rifle -- based on all the theory above -- will wear the barrel out faster?
(in case the gentle reader was wondering why someone would 'download' a high performance cartridge)
 
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