'Bulletproof clothing that's fashionable too'

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Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I just came across this article about Caballero armored clothing:

Bulletproof clothing that's fashionable too
Miguel Caballero's line of suits, shirts, and jackets is the first to merge high fashion with even higher security.
Business 2.0 Magazine
By Sibylla Brodzinsky, Business 2.0 Magazine
August 17 2006: 6:54 AM EDT

"Who here hasn't been shot?"

Miguel Caballero is walking around his company's showroom in Bogotá, Colombia, holding a .38-caliber revolver. "You!" he says, pointing to German Gonzalez, a 20-something salesman who's been on the job for just two weeks. "You're next."

Gonzalez wiggles nervously into an $850 brown suede winter jacket and zips it up to the collar. A foot or so away, the smiling Caballero lowers the weapon and takes aim.

"One!" Gonzalez takes a deep breath and stares up at the ceiling. "Two!..." A deafening blast sends Gonzalez lurching backward - and then screaming out in relief, clutching at the hole in the jacket where the bullet has come to a safe stop.

No, this isn't some cruel corporate hazing ritual. For Caballero, founder and CEO of the company that carries his name, this is just a showman's way of demonstrating his products.

Caballero sells a line of armored clothing that fits like Armani but deflects point-blank gunfire like the Popemobile. Last year the 38-year-old entrepreneur sold an estimated $7 million worth of bulletproof trench coats, business suits, suede jackets, and denim casuals to executives, political leaders, undercover agents, and other VIPs - people who demand more than a bodyguard for protection and don't like the bulk or SWAT-team look of flak jackets and vests.

"There are hundreds of companies that make bulletproof vests," Caballero says. "We make bulletproof fashion."

Behind the style, though, is some groundbreaking substance. Instead of heavier Kevlar materials for armored lining, Caballero developed and patented a weave of nylon and polyester that can stand up to gunfire without sacrificing convenience or comfort.

The first Kevlar-based bulletproof leather jacket he created weighed 11 pounds. Today the same garment, with the new material, is just 2.6 pounds - about the heft of something you might try on at Nordstrom (Charts).

That's helped attract A-list customers, including Presidents Alvaro Uribe of Colombia and Hugo Chávez of Venezuela, who each own a bulletproof guayabera, a thin cotton shirt common in the Caribbean.

"It's not just about bulletproofing with style anymore," Caballero says. "Bulletproof clothing is becoming a style."

In fact, the company held its first runway show in Guadalajara in January, featuring Mexican models sporting a new line of casual wear. Afterward, Caballero's Mexican office sold in four weeks what it had projected to sell for the year.

And in August, Caballero will open a high-end boutique in one of Mexico City's most exclusive shopping districts. The store's neighbors? Armani, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, and Tiffany.

That kind of cachet goes a long way. Exports jumped nearly sevenfold from 2004 to 2005 and now account for 80 percent of sales.

Perhaps the most enviable sign of global success: the debut of knockoffs. The CEO says he's spotted counterfeit Caballero jackets for sale in Venezuela and the Netherlands.

Good grief. Regardless of the merits of the clothing, intentionally shooting your staff from a reported distance of 1 foot is quite a risky publicity stunt:
a. I guess the four rules of firearm safety haven't trickled down to Columbia?
b. That's putting your money where your (employee's) mouth is.
c. Can you imagine an American company trying that? The 'mental anguish' lawsuits would quickly follow.
d. South American assasins take note: go for head shots. :neener:

source: http://money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/08/01/8382235/index.htm
 
What the hell is wrong with that guy?

Sure, the shirts and jackets might be bulletproof, but without trauma plates, you're very likely to have broken ribs or ruptured organs. I wonder if he pays his employees medical bills when they're in the hospital recovering from his random in-office "demonstrations"?
 
Bet you money they are downloaded .38s.

And there are plenty of Americans who work for bullet proof vest companies who've been shot. It helps sell product. :)

As somebody who sells bodyarmor, I'm curious what this stuff is rated. At that weight level, it can't be much.
 
IIIA protects against most commonly encountered pistol rounds. IIIA is what many cops are wearing under their uniform shirts.

I'm having a hard time believing IIIA protection from something that only weighs 2.6 pounds.

We all though Zylon was too good to be true also. And sure enough, it was. :)
 
I've got to agree with Correia on questioning the IIIA claims. For instance, I'm not sure how much faith I'd put in a
a bulletproof (sic) guayabera, a thin cotton shirt common in the Caribbean.

Would you willingly take a point-blank shot from a .38 wearing this:

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I'd be awfully curious to read an unbiased review/evaluation of this guy's products...
 
If this is the real deal, even partial protection from bullets in clothing that looks like normal and isn't heavy is a real step forward. Again, going toward Stephenson's vision in Snow Crash.
 
For soft body armor to work, it has to be tight. Essentially the bullet is carrying the garment with it as it moves forward. In the case of a vest, this means there is a pull on the back of the vest as the bullet continues forward, and that transfers the stress to the whole garmet.

Now look at your trouser leg -- plenty of slack in there. Your leg would be broken, or deeply penetrated before the slack came taut. The protection is dramatically reduced. The same would be true for a loose-fitting (or unbuttoned) sport jacket.
 
Vern - baby steps. Any protection in everyday garments is better than none; bit by bit, better protectiong can be developed.
 
To my way of thinking, touting this clothing as "bulletproof" sure exposes him to a lot of liability, because it surely isn't "bulletproof". Even Columbia must have some laws about misrepresentation.
 
cant imagine buying a bulletproof dress shirt.. maybe a jacket wouldnt be too bad, but really.. whose gonna get enough shirts so they can have everyday protection?
 
A weave of nylon and polyester instead of Kevlar or Spectra???

My BS flag is flying on this one!
No kidding. IIRC, nylon is too stretchy and has too low an ultimate tensile strength to be of much use in a vest, unless he's doing something REALLY novel with it. Somehow I doubt it. If you could really get good protection with 2.6 pounds of materials that are FAR cheaper and more comfortable than Kevlar and Spectra, you can bet that someone in the U.S. would be doing it.

I could see using some forms of polyethylene (IIRC, Spectra is ultra-high-density polyethylene in a resin matrix) but nylon and polyester?
 
If you could really get good protection with 2.6 pounds of materials that are FAR cheaper and more comfortable than Kevlar and Spectra, you can bet that someone in the U.S. would be doing it.

Because every new invention of value is developed in the USA? :rolleyes:
 
No, Third Rail, but US companies have spent tens of millions on R&D, and the best minds in the business haven't come anywhere close to a IIIA dress shirt.
 
I'm torn between the "It's too good to be true/the backface deformation must be horrific" camp and the "It sounds like a great step forward even if the technology is in it's infancy and not real effective" line of thought.

It's good this is being developed in a country without the legal worries of the US. The entrepreneur is bold enough to go for it and eventually there will be results from the field and product improvements. Maybe US manufacturers are too conservative to dump lots of $$ in this direction. The Zylon fiasco set them back and a lot of end users (me too) are a bit leary of the latest, lightest thing and will accept extra weight to know it will work. Lets let these guys try out the superduper light stuff.
 
No kidding. IIRC, nylon is too stretchy and has too low an ultimate tensile strength to be of much use in a vest, unless he's doing something REALLY novel with it. Somehow I doubt it.

The company motto is, "This won't save your life, but you'll look really tacky in your coffin.":p
 
They said it's a leather material. That could mean that back face deformation is reduced by the stiffness of individual panels, right? As well, nylon covers a large large area. And if one is protecting against pistol rounds, well their penetration is tiny measured in RHAe, so you simply find out the thickness efficiency of your leather/nylon material, and multiply. If it has an efficiency of 0.2, then you need 5 times the thickness as armour steel. I think 9mm penetration is 1 or 2mm, so scaling-up a material panel wouldn't be hard. Plus the thicker it is the less you need the 'soccer-net' energy absorbtion effect you described.

Besides, if it is a scam, the car companies have shown how it's done. Dead men can't sue:)
 
Cheaper to hire hitmen to eliminate the families of anyone looking to file a lawsuit, than to pay out settlements? ;)
 
I think we might be underestimating the clients. Without this, the choice is nothing and no protection or a bulky vest. They feel the vest is not an option, so perhaps even if this only offers a little protection it's worth the $$$. Getting your sternum split would be bad...but if the bullet didn't penetrate it's probably survivable. Getting your aorta blown apart isn't.
 
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