Bump Firing

[Cosmoline]

You're responsible for each and every bullet you send down range. Personally, I think that includes supporting the stock and at least roughly controlling the POA. When you let the firearm rock forward and backwards like a swing, you're not doing your job.

 

[bthest86]

Bump firing is fun. I do it just about every time I shoot.

And yes my back stop is an empty mountain on my family's land so it is plenty safe. To miss it you have to aim into air at a 60 degree angle.

I only do it with the last 10-5 rounds before packing up cause if all I did was bump fire I'd only be there for 5 minutes.

Don't do it on a range. Thats just stupid.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Having both bump-fired and shot full auto, I'd say, rent a full auto. The novelty wears off after about 10 mins. Bump firing is not accurate. It doesn't turn your semi into a machinegun. Bump firing is also unsafe.

 

[swingset]

For the 10th time (since no one uses the search function on the interweb).

I invented a neato little device that will let you fairly accurately and safely shoot pretty much any semi-auto rifle, carbine or handgun.

Essentially, it's a piece of wood with 2 handles. You hold the rifle by your offhand, pulling it forward into one of the handles which goes in the trigger guard. Your right hand holds the opposite handle, pulling the "bumper" into your shoulder. Since the "bumper" is longer than your stock, the rifle will move rearward when it fires, but not go all the way back to your shoulder (having 1" or so of play), and as you pull forward the gun will "bump". Since you're holding it at the shoulder, you can be pretty accurate with it, depending on the gun. You can even bump pistols fairly accurately with some practice. It's also safer than "hip style" bumping, and much more fun. Easier too.

This is what the device looks like when constructed.

This is the blueprint for the device.

http://www.localnumber69.com/temp/Aimed_Shoulder_Fire.mpg

Here is a short vid of me shooting an AR15 using the "bumper", doing 3-5 round bursts aiming at a target. I can keep all the rounds inside of an IPSC torso at 25 yards, which is about as good as I can do with a real M16. For the name-callers in this thread, do watch it and tell me if it looks like my rounds are flying willy-nilly, I have zero control over the weapon, etc.

Does bumping fulfill a need? No. Neither does a plinking rifle. It's fun, if done safely and in the appropriate place and saves me quite a bit with not having to pay $15k for a happy-switch.

 

[SDC]

Even though I'm not convinced that bump-firing has any real-world usefulness, I have to say that swingset's gimmick looks to be safe, effective, and simple (plus a good example of home-grown ingenuity ) I'd like to see how well this thing works with a handgun.

Edit to add: I think you could make it a bit more controllable (ie. less chance of the buttstock rotating around out of line with the "bumpfire stock") if you added two smaller dowels to the design, one at the heel of the real stock to keep it UP, and one at the top of the wrist, to keep it DOWN. It would take a little longer to put it on or take it off, but I think that would be made up for by knowing that you've got TWO points of control on the rifle.

 

[qajaq59]

Let me know

when you can keep every round in the kill zone and maybe I'll take it up too. But for now if all I want it noise and flashes I'll stick to a sting of fire crackers. It's a whole lot cheaper.........

 

[Gonefission]

Does everyone on this board have grumpy old man syndrome?


If he was being unsafe in the vid I would say bumping isn't a good idea, but he wasn't. As long as people aren't posing a threat to others at a range, I say let them do what ever they want.


Do you guys like it when the Dems say what you can and can't do with you guns? Then why are you doing it to fellow gun people?

 

[Keith Wheeler]

I'm neither grumpy nor old.

To me, bumpfiring is right up there with gold plated bling-bling and tacticool. Wanna be a "big boy"? Buy a transferrable.

 

[Spencer]

To me, bumpfiring is right up there with gold plated bling-bling and tacticool. Wanna be a "big boy"? Buy a transferrable.

Sorry but some people don't have 20K laying around for a rifle.

People ARE sounding like grumpy old men. From what I've seen, older people tend to enjoy controlled precision excercises, but people my age, you know, we just want to rock and roll.

You guys really should lighten up. If I buy the ammo, I can use it anyway I want to and if that's the most exciting way possible for me (and sometimes it is), I'll do it. All of course, while being safe.

The bottom line is, I target shoot and plink. Sometimes I shoot once every minute. Sometimes I shoot twenty rounds in four seconds. Which one's more fun to me? Well, sorry, but you guessed it.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Wow for a bunch of people who get in an uproar when someone says civilians dont need FA, you guys sure are quick to judge bump firing . Do I think its dumb? Well sort of, I have done it once or twice just for grins but hey to each their own. Lighten up and have some fun once in awhile.

Amen! How is this inherently any more dangerous that full auto? Both can be uncontrolled, but so what. How do you learn controlled multiround fire unless you practice it?

 

[1911 guy]

Bump firing and control.

The problem with bump firing isn't that it brings smiles and we have to squelch that, it's that it is inherently uncontrolable. Firing from the hip is bad enough unless it's point blank and an emergency, but to do so in large quantity merely raises the risk of stray rounds exponentially.

If you have a close and large backstop, blast away to your hearts content. If you are at a traditional range that won't allow centerfire any closer than the fifty yard line, you've got no business doing it. It becomes a safety issue then.

The comparison to full auto fire is faulty because full auto isn't meant to be one sustained burst for the duration of a magazine. It is meant to put several rounds in the area of a target very quickly. There is even debate about the utility of as few as three rounds in a burst. Many are convinced that a reliable and fast cycling semi-auto is enough.

Fun isn't the issue, safety is.

 

[Keith Wheeler]

How do you learn controlled multiround fire unless you practice it?

I practice rapid "multiround" fire with my semis, including Uzis and ARs. I use my finger. And the sights. I do so to be able to place aimed multiple rounds on a target, not to make noise and be tacticool. I prefer skill to bling.

Many are convinced that a reliable and fast cycling semi-auto is enough.

My wife's semi Mini Uzi. That has got the be the fastest cycling semi I've ever touched. Reliable, compact (at least in SBR form!), it's a "property protection" dream. In a "real world" situation I'd rather have an SBR Mini Uzi than my MAC SMG.

But, back to bumpfiring. Let's review: I never said you shouldn't do it.

It's like this. I've campaigned a rally car, and been involved in other motorsports. When I see "boy racer" types on the street with wings and blue headlights and noisy mufflers, I laugh. To me, that's just being a poser. Wanna race? Do what I did. Get your license, your helmet, your full roll cage, and bring it on. Ahhhhh, but that's too hard and too expensive, and don't tell me what to do.

I ain't telling you what to do, I'm just calling it like I see it. Want a machine gun? There are still plenty in the $3k range. Wanna be a poser and bump fire your AK? That's fine too. But it's just like those kiddies with the wings on their Civics, it's just playing.

 

[romma]

I feel Like I have a devil on one shoulder, and an angel on the other right now. And an AR-15 in my safe questioning me on what I am going to do with her...

 

[High Planes Drifter]

This thread has drifted so far off of the OP's original intent I cannot believe the mods havent shut it down. The OP is not looking for anyones approval, or opinions on bump-firing. He's looking for instructions on how to go about doing it. Its totaly legal, doesnt violate any of the basic rules of firearm safety, and as far as any of you know, he could be doing this on his own private land. Its amazing the amount of posts in this thread, and only a small handfull of people (me included in that handfull) have actually responded to the question being asked by the OP. If you are not going to post on topic, dont post. If you want to bash bump firing, start a new thread and bash away, but STOP HIJACKING THIS GUYS THREAD!!!!!!!!:banghead:

 

[MY AK]

I Agree!

Bump Firing is just for fun once in a while. Plinking targets one by one can get boring. Any responsible adult with reasonable firearm experience can easily control a bump fire. Sure its not very accurate, but that's beside the point. If your concerned with unloading a clip too quickly, or are insulted with people having a little fun once in a while, get back in your wheel chair and buy an air soft rifle.

 

[Spencer]

It's like this. I've campaigned a rally car, and been involved in other motorsports. When I see "boy racer" types on the street with wings and blue headlights and noisy mufflers, I laugh. To me, that's just being a poser. Wanna race? Do what I did. Get your license, your helmet, your full roll cage, and bring it on. Ahhhhh, but that's too hard and too expensive, and don't tell me what to do.

I ain't telling you what to do, I'm just calling it like I see it. Want a machine gun? There are still plenty in the $3k range. Wanna be a poser and bump fire your AK? That's fine too. But it's just like those kiddies with the wings on their Civics, it's just playing.

Woah there Keith, I think your awesomeness just might be too much for me.

How could someone make THAT kind of analogy?

Yeah well maybe some people DON'T want to do the paper work, pay the hundereds of dollars in federal taxes, dedicate/waste thousands of dollars just so they can say they have a machinegun.

Does that make them posers? Hell no.
Does that make them bums? Absolutely not.

Did it ever occur that maybe sometimes when people are out shooting, they want to try something out to have a little fun at a convienient time?

I see bump firing as just something you do every once in a while when it's a good time to have a little FUN, not trying to be a badass or a poser, or a 'military jock'. Come on Keith. You aren't really fooling anyone.

 

[Keith Wheeler]

I rest my case.

 

[swingset]

Originally posted by Keith Wheeler
I rest my case.

You sure did....and what a case it was. Called someone who bump fires a "poser", with condescension and ridicule, and suggests if they don't spend $3k on a F/A they are being "tacticool" and wasting their time having fun.

You also taught us that you're a rally champion, and anyone with stuff on their car you don't like are "racing posers".

I'm glad you rested your case, I don't think I could stomach any more of it.

And this is supposed to be the "High Road".

BTW, I've shot probably a hundred F/A guns, from an M2 to a Bren to an American 180. Some, I contend, are so hard to control in full auto as to be inherently more dangerous than me bumping from the shoulder. In one sense, bumping will tame an otherwise hard to control gun as it tends to "float" and the arm holding it forward is keeping the muzzle down. This is true with a guns like an AK, which from the shoulder I can keep on target much better than a select fire version.

Like I said above, I can keep most semi-guns bumping into an IPSC torso at 25 yards, every round. There are some guns, a Mac10 in full auto, I cannot do the same...much too much muzzle flip to keep on target except in 2 or 3 round bursts...even then the 3rd round often misses.

I have some vid of me bumping a pistol, I'll try to see if I can upload it tonight....it's rather cool (except to Keith, of course).

 

[Keith Wheeler]

I said:

I've campaigned a rally car

not

You also taught us that you're a rally champion

Once you learn to read, then perhaps I'll value your extensive firearms experience.

 

[swingset]

Originally posted by Keith Wheeler

Once you learn to read, then perhaps I'll value your extensive firearms experience.

I was being satirical, champ. Unlike your ability to tolerate things you don't like, my reading comprehension is quite good.

 

[Keith Wheeler]

And I was merely stating my opinion. I didn't say "don't do it", I stated my personal view of the matter. Or perhaps you subscribe to the politcal correctness of not wanting to be offended by differing opinions?

 

[ScottS]

And I was merely stating my opinion. I didn't say "don't do it", I stated my personal view of the matter. Or perhaps you subscribe to the politcal correctness of not wanting to be offended by differing opinions?

Dude, did he ask for your opinion, or did he (OP) ask how to do something?

One of the biggest problems with this (and many other forums) is that people LOVE to hear themselves talk. Typical scenario:

Some guys asks a specific question ("How do I...Where can I get...Do you know a gunsmith who can...Is it legal to...How many licks does it take to...?")

Two dozen people jump in to post their opinions on whether or not this is a good idea so they can up their post count and make themselves seem important ("That's unsafe/stupid/poser/tacticool/Bubba...You should never...I would never do that...Why would you...I've never made it without biting.")

One dozen people jump in to argue with the first two dozen people.

One guy answers the OP's question on page 4.

You do a search on this particular subject ("Great! Here's a guy who asked my same question, and there are 75 replies!") only to find out no one answered the question, or you get too tired of reading everyone's BS opinion and give up.

How about this for a thought: If you have nothing to contribute to the guy's original question...don't post! Maybe, and this is just a maybe, if he wanted your opinion, he would have asked for it.

That's just a maybe, now.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

quote:
Dude, did he ask for your opinion, or did he (OP) ask how to do something?
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Thank You. No, he didnt for any opinions or acceptance .

 

[MY AK]

Enough Bitching!

A simple question has turned into quite a piss match. I think .45 AUTO has had his question answered in detail. BTW, he didnt ask for negative opinions, just basic instruction on havin fun with a gun!

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

Swingset's drawings and video answered the question quite nicely, but now this one's generating more heat than light.