Burying handguns
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Waitone
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Dumb thread, but I'll play.
PVC deteriorates over time and emits chlorine gas. Chlorine is corrosive to metals. To be really safe either pot the firearm in cosmoline or include a chlorine scavenger in the package. Longterm storage of metals is a major issue with the military. Cosmoline is your friend, PVC is friendly by not nice.
PVC deteriorates over time and emits chlorine gas. Chlorine is corrosive to metals. To be really safe either pot the firearm in cosmoline or include a chlorine scavenger in the package. Longterm storage of metals is a major issue with the military. Cosmoline is your friend, PVC is friendly by not nice.
Double Naught Spy
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Since when is making preparations for a possible future event necessarily an indication that the event has already started?
How can you dig up that which you have not buried?
This "old Wisdom" seems pretty illogical to me.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Didn't Heinlein write a story about a planet where there were no metallic ores and their whole technology was based on ceramics? Even the vehicle engines were ceramic turbines -- which were called 'bines, IIRC.
Seems to me ceramic guns with polycarbonate cased ammo might be approaching feasibility. With light projectiles, though, you'd have to spin the heck out of the missile for stability.
Remember the Herter's all-plastic shotgun shells? No metal at all, except for the 209s.
Seems to me ceramic guns with polycarbonate cased ammo might be approaching feasibility. With light projectiles, though, you'd have to spin the heck out of the missile for stability.
Remember the Herter's all-plastic shotgun shells? No metal at all, except for the 209s.
Titan6
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I just got another good idea. Sadly I have no tinfoil hat smiley.
If you bury the gun somewhere that people are not allowed to dig or construct things; say a designated wet land there is a much more likely chance of the item being there come the great collapse of '22 or the end of the world in 2012.
If you bury the gun somewhere that people are not allowed to dig or construct things; say a designated wet land there is a much more likely chance of the item being there come the great collapse of '22 or the end of the world in 2012.
Dorryn
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+1.
Preparation for the future involves considering what may or may not be available. A gun buried now means one is available if/when the (or a) government siezes the guns you didnt bury. If a blanket firearm ban existed, you would have a gun cached (thus available) after youve been left supposedly disarmed. Burying a firearm is a good way to avoid theft or confiscation.
OpFlash
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http://www.backwoodshome.com/columns/wolfe040815.html
Short entertaining read, and the jist of the story is true according to the statement near the bottom of the page.
Short entertaining read, and the jist of the story is true according to the statement near the bottom of the page.
Alphazulu6
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Where is Bluebeard these days when your trying to get advice on burying treasure??? HAHA Good Luck!
MinnMooney
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Subject : GPS location -
You realize that a GPS reading is only accurate to 10 meters 95% of the time. It could be more accurate but there's no way to be sure unless you have a control station nearby with a correction factor fed into the GPS unit. WAAS makes for a more accurate reading but it's still only within 3 meters and digging up 85 sq. ft. of dirt could take a while.
You realize that a GPS reading is only accurate to 10 meters 95% of the time. It could be more accurate but there's no way to be sure unless you have a control station nearby with a correction factor fed into the GPS unit. WAAS makes for a more accurate reading but it's still only within 3 meters and digging up 85 sq. ft. of dirt could take a while.
PistolPackin'Papa
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Brerrabbit, post # 5, a dumb question please. What do you consider to be things that absorb Oxygen the best???
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those little packets that come with the electronics I buy.
markand1118
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Not such a far-fetched idea
Why would anyone want or need to bury a firearm? Consider this hopefully fictional scenario: In 2009, either Hillary Clinton OR Rudy Giuliani, both of whom are anti-gun, take the office of President of the United States, and are re-elected in 2012. While in office, 4 or more supreme court vacancies are filled by anti-gun judges nominated by either of these anti-gun presidents. The second amendment is eviscerated in a series of rulings devastating to gun owners and pro-gun activists. A series of horrific multiple shootings causes several states to begin confiscation of firearms in private hands. Gun control, similar to that currently in place in the District of Columbia (despite Parker-v-DC) becomes the norm and many gun owners find their firearms illegal to possess.
Is this impossible? Ask anybody in England. Or Australia. Or California, Massachusetts, or New Jersey for that matter.
Consider how the SCOTUS eviscerated the constitutional rights of property owners, long believed to be settled, in Kelo-v-New London, CT.
Consider how first amendment political free speech rights, the very rights the first amendment was created to protect, were eviscerated when the McCain/Feingold campaign finance "reform" law was upheld by SCOTUS.
More than a century ago, in the mid to late 1800's, SCOTUS ruled to uphold numerous racial segregation and discrimination laws. It wasn't until decades later in Brown-v-Board of Education that those rulings were tossed.
I'm not a tin-foil hat kind of guy, and I don't see black helicopters all around me, but it doesn't take much imagination at all to envision a combination of events that might make burying some firearms and ammo a reasonable and rational thing to do.
Why would anyone want or need to bury a firearm? Consider this hopefully fictional scenario: In 2009, either Hillary Clinton OR Rudy Giuliani, both of whom are anti-gun, take the office of President of the United States, and are re-elected in 2012. While in office, 4 or more supreme court vacancies are filled by anti-gun judges nominated by either of these anti-gun presidents. The second amendment is eviscerated in a series of rulings devastating to gun owners and pro-gun activists. A series of horrific multiple shootings causes several states to begin confiscation of firearms in private hands. Gun control, similar to that currently in place in the District of Columbia (despite Parker-v-DC) becomes the norm and many gun owners find their firearms illegal to possess.
Is this impossible? Ask anybody in England. Or Australia. Or California, Massachusetts, or New Jersey for that matter.
Consider how the SCOTUS eviscerated the constitutional rights of property owners, long believed to be settled, in Kelo-v-New London, CT.
Consider how first amendment political free speech rights, the very rights the first amendment was created to protect, were eviscerated when the McCain/Feingold campaign finance "reform" law was upheld by SCOTUS.
More than a century ago, in the mid to late 1800's, SCOTUS ruled to uphold numerous racial segregation and discrimination laws. It wasn't until decades later in Brown-v-Board of Education that those rulings were tossed.
I'm not a tin-foil hat kind of guy, and I don't see black helicopters all around me, but it doesn't take much imagination at all to envision a combination of events that might make burying some firearms and ammo a reasonable and rational thing to do.
ConfuseUs
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They're not organic. They will not sprout a handgun tree, no matter how much you water and fertilize them.
Let's see. First you coat the internal parts in Cosmoline. Then you seal them in steel ammo cans which are filled with Cosmoline. Then you seal a bunch of these cans in a 55 gal drum which is then filled with (you guessed it) Cosmoline!
Then you load all these drums into the back of a van which you then fill with even more Cosmoline. Use a front-end loader to dig a pit large enough for the van. Then use the front-end loader to push the van into the pit and cover with dirt. Forget that you buried these guns (you really don't wanna clean off all that Cosmoline). In 10,000 years the guns will be dug up by archaeologists and their incredibly good condition marveled over.
Sorry, the tinfoil goes on your head, not on the gun. And plastic bags are for sissies. Real men and women preserve guns in Cosmoline.
evan price
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OK, so let's say that TEOTWAWKI happens. Both the I-Ching and the Mayan calendar predict the end of the world will be 21 December 2012...
Let's say instead that the US outlaws gun possession, punishable by death if found, followed by the most draconian police action ever, the systematic search and seizure (unwarranted) of every square inch of America to locate held-back guns.
Let's say you craftily have hidden some guns as described above.
What now?
It's not like you can expect to do anything with those few guns. I assure you, the average citizen will have turned theirs in (look to England for reference). The general gun-fearing Weinies never had any. And the well-prepared survivalists will have a few, but not enough to pose a threat to a (still well-armed) nation-state. All THEY will get is a brief and ruthlessly brutal example for the rest of the possible hold-outs of what happens when you have a gun in your "compound".
You won't be able to go target shooting, hunting, plinking, or anything else ever again in public. If you even used them to defend your life you'd be a criminal facing the death penalty for keeping a gun.
How long will you keep those guns if you dug them up? What would you do with them after they were outlawed as described above?
As has been stated over and over again:
Luckily, I won't have to worry about this scenario because all of my firearms collection was recently lost in a bizarre boating accident.
Let's say instead that the US outlaws gun possession, punishable by death if found, followed by the most draconian police action ever, the systematic search and seizure (unwarranted) of every square inch of America to locate held-back guns.
Let's say you craftily have hidden some guns as described above.
What now?
It's not like you can expect to do anything with those few guns. I assure you, the average citizen will have turned theirs in (look to England for reference). The general gun-fearing Weinies never had any. And the well-prepared survivalists will have a few, but not enough to pose a threat to a (still well-armed) nation-state. All THEY will get is a brief and ruthlessly brutal example for the rest of the possible hold-outs of what happens when you have a gun in your "compound".
You won't be able to go target shooting, hunting, plinking, or anything else ever again in public. If you even used them to defend your life you'd be a criminal facing the death penalty for keeping a gun.
How long will you keep those guns if you dug them up? What would you do with them after they were outlawed as described above?
As has been stated over and over again:
Luckily, I won't have to worry about this scenario because all of my firearms collection was recently lost in a bizarre boating accident.
It's a calling card for trouble
If you bury weapons that have serial numbers that can be traced to you it's asking for trouble. Imagine some kids digging them up and what trouble they can get you into. Law enforcement and the prosecutors office would have a blast with that - not to mention the press.
If you remove the serial numbers and somehow get caught you'll be in a big jam too.
It wouldn't be difficult to convince a jury or the general public that your a nut-case, anti-government, militia, danger-to-the-public, and possibly terroristic threat to the public.
If you bury weapons that have serial numbers that can be traced to you it's asking for trouble. Imagine some kids digging them up and what trouble they can get you into. Law enforcement and the prosecutors office would have a blast with that - not to mention the press.
If you remove the serial numbers and somehow get caught you'll be in a big jam too.
It wouldn't be difficult to convince a jury or the general public that your a nut-case, anti-government, militia, danger-to-the-public, and possibly terroristic threat to the public.
El Tejon
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Ideas from a previous thread, http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=262559.
thegrizz, that's why I buried private sale/"off paper" guns.
thegrizz, that's why I buried private sale/"off paper" guns.
Sam Adams
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Sportsman's Guide has the mortar tubes for about $12. They're about 21" long and 3 1/4" in diameter. You won't fit many rifles in that tube, but a disassembled handgun (properly lubed and otherwise protected against moisture) could be put there.
I'd be more interested in where one can get PVC (or, much better, ABS) tubes with a 6" diameter and the appropriate end caps. Also, I remember reading once that it'd make sense to put a tube within a tube - for extra protection and (mainly) to avoid having to dig the whole thing up. Just dig down to the screw-top lid of the outer tube (not sealed, just greased and hand-tightened), open it and pull out the inner tube (to the top of which you have thoughtfully attached a lanyard so as to be able to just pull it out).
Question: By storing the tube vertically you reduce the ability of any detector to find it. OK, fine, less "radar cross-section" makes sense. What would happen if you covered the top (or even the whole thing) with some lead foil of some type? Would this make the object less detectable, or would it do nothing?
I'd be more interested in where one can get PVC (or, much better, ABS) tubes with a 6" diameter and the appropriate end caps. Also, I remember reading once that it'd make sense to put a tube within a tube - for extra protection and (mainly) to avoid having to dig the whole thing up. Just dig down to the screw-top lid of the outer tube (not sealed, just greased and hand-tightened), open it and pull out the inner tube (to the top of which you have thoughtfully attached a lanyard so as to be able to just pull it out).
Question: By storing the tube vertically you reduce the ability of any detector to find it. OK, fine, less "radar cross-section" makes sense. What would happen if you covered the top (or even the whole thing) with some lead foil of some type? Would this make the object less detectable, or would it do nothing?
686+
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......the iron curtain.
Growing up behind the iron curtain, this joke was very popular:
A grandson visits his grandma and notices she is watering the flower bed with motor oil. "Grandma, what are you doing? You are putting oil on the flowers, they are going to die!" Grandma turns to him and says: "Screw the flowers, I don't want the rifle to rust!"
Growing up behind the iron curtain, this joke was very popular:
A grandson visits his grandma and notices she is watering the flower bed with motor oil. "Grandma, what are you doing? You are putting oil on the flowers, they are going to die!" Grandma turns to him and says: "Screw the flowers, I don't want the rifle to rust!"
I'm surprised by the number of people on here who's response to potential total gun bans is to submit, turn in their guns, and give in to "futility" rather than doing what is right and supposedly protected by our Constitution.
You are free, until you give in.
You are free, until you give in.
Alphazulu6
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Ask me in a few months...............
209
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Buy your pipe and fittings now. Homeland Security will be tracking purchases of that stuff shortly.
And, the question does arise. Having buried your guns, what do you do with your ammo? If they come for the guns, they aren't leaving 20,000 rds of ammo in your house. Not to say I have 20,000 rds in my house.
But, the valve on the pipe and eliminating the air and pumping in nitrogen is a good idea. And using ABS instead of PVC is good. Plus, ABS can be recycled. Gore may be in office, and knowing you were not hurting the environment might mitigate your punishment.
And, the question does arise. Having buried your guns, what do you do with your ammo? If they come for the guns, they aren't leaving 20,000 rds of ammo in your house. Not to say I have 20,000 rds in my house.
But, the valve on the pipe and eliminating the air and pumping in nitrogen is a good idea. And using ABS instead of PVC is good. Plus, ABS can be recycled. Gore may be in office, and knowing you were not hurting the environment might mitigate your punishment.
Sam Adams
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OK, I've since found out that you want to store a rifle horizontally, as detector readings are enhanced at the open ends. Still, the question of whether covering/wrapping a metal object in lead would help hide it from metal detectors is open. Anyone?
Sam Adams
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It only makes sense to bury some (dozens or hundreds) of rounds of ammo with the gun. Also, don't forget a simple maintenance kit. The package should be complete by itself.
As for the stuff you have at home, you have to assume that any gun on paper will be known about. Possibly one or a few may be overlooked, but don't count on it. That's why it is smart to take an off-paper gun and ammo and accessories and put them "in reserve" - that way you can be a good sheep and hand over what they know you have, and still have something available later.
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