CA,Bay Area teen shoots Mtn Lion,ruled self defense!

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Amazing! a California,San Francisco Bay Area newspaper running a story like this!
http://www.napanews.com/templates/i..._full&id=A5B5978D-7469-47A3-86C9-3FE8440DAC22
Turkey-hunting teen kills mountain lion
Wednesday, April 7, 2004

By Marsha Dorgan
NVP SERVICES

Andy White, 14, said that for a moment on Tuesday morning, he thought he was going to be the main course in a mountain lion's breakfast. Instead, the 14-year-old St. Helena High School student was able to shoot the cat three times, killing the 63-pound beast on a remote hillside near his grandparents' home on Chiles Pope Valley Road in remote northwest Napa County.

"I was scared to death. It was only about three feet from me. It took a swipe at me with its paw," said the excited youngster, standing next to the bloodied body of the cat. "I thought it was going to kill me. I saw it and just froze."

Jesse Keiser, a Department of Fish and Game warden, said the story offered by White and his friend Hendrick Smeding appears to check out.

"Based on my findings so far, the boys' account of what happened appears to be legitimate and that they were acting in self defense. At this point, there is nothing to lead me to think otherwise," Keiser said.

The ordeal started around 5:30 a.m., Tuesday, when White and Smeding, 17, of St. Helena, got up at dawn to hunt wild turkeys in the rural rolling hills behind the family's homestead.

Dressed in camouflage fatigues, White, armed with a .20-gauge shotgun, and Smeding, with a bow and arrow and a turkey caller, headed out to stalk their prey.

"We started hearing turkeys about a half mile over that ridge," White said, pointing to the hillside opposite from where the lion went down.

"We went over to other ridge. We were sitting down in the low bushes, making turkey calls. There were turkeys in the trees, but about 15 minutes later, they flew away," he said.

That's when the almost fatal encounter happened.

"I turned around, and there it was -- just about three feet from my face -- a real mountain lion," White said, his eyes widening. "It was just looking at me. Then, it took a swipe at me with its paw. I froze. I was so scared, I didn't know what to do."

Smeding also got his first face-to-face brush with the furry creature with long pointed teeth and very sharp claws.

"I was lying down, and the lion was standing a few feet from my head. When I turned around, I expected to see turkey feathers, not a lot of fur. Then I heard Andy say, 'Shall I shoot it?' I said, 'Yeah, shoot it.'"

White said he aimed and pulled the trigger of his shotgun.

Boom -- the cat took a shot to the shoulder.

"I knew I got him, but it didn't even faze him. He just sat there and kept looking at me. He never growled or made any noise," he said. "So, I shot him again in the other shoulder and in the face. He just fell over and started twitching, and then he was still."

Shaking in their boots, the boys put some distance between themselves and the dead cat.

"We stood there for a few minutes just watching him. We wanted to make sure he was dead. Finally, we walked over and kicked him a couple of times, and sure enough, he was dead," Smeding said.

Smeding draped the dead cat around his shoulders, and like a couple of seasoned mountain men, he and Andy hiked back to the grandparents' home.

White called his parents, Colette and Johnny White, at his home on Butts Canyon Road to tell them of his and Smeding's morning adventure.

White's mom said she was startled and somewhat shaken when her son called around 6 a.m., to tell her he had shot a mountain lion. "He was all excited telling how a mountain lion was only three feet from his head. I know there is danger out here. I always worry, but I make sure the kids go in pairs when they hunt. You have to let them grow up."

White's father agrees.

"This doesn't mean I won't let him go hunting again. We live in the country and that's the kind of thing you can expect," he said. "It's all part of growing up in the country."

The boys will not be making a lion-skin rug out of their bounty.

By 10 a.m., DFG's Keiser was on scene to load the cat in a large, green kitty body bag, and take it back to the Yountville headquarters, where it will be examined by wildlife biologists. An investigation into the shooting will be done.

Keiser estimated the cat was a young adult.

"It's illegal to possess any part of a mountain lion. We'll be doing an investigation to see if the shooting was justified, and if so, we won't be filing any case," Keiser said.

Keiser said mountain lion attacks on livestock, although not routine, are not that uncommon.

"But it is extremely rare for them to have encounters with humans. I've been with Fish and Game for six years, and this is the first human encounter I have seen," he said.

Keiser appraised the situation by saying, "The boys were dressed in camouflage. They were making turkey noises, and mountain lions prey on turkeys. The animal was most likely just stalking a natural prey," he said.

Mountain lions are protected by the DFG code. However, there is a clause in the code that allows the taking of the animal if it is injuring property or livestock, or posing a threat to public safety, Keiser said.

Anyone shooting a mountain lion must report it to the DFG.
 
Yup. They were camouflaged, and making turkey noises, the cat just wanted breakfast. Too bad he followed his ears instead of his nose. Darwin at work.
 
I'm glad the kid is OK. I've been hearing about mountain lion attacks a lot more in the last few years. When I lived in KC a couple years someone hit one with their car on the highway about 2 miles from where I lived. At 1st they thought it was someone's pet that got loose but did tests on it and it was a wild one. They figured it came from out west somewhere. This was in a suburban area.
 
Kudos to the kids. TSHTF with them & they rose to their manhood and handled it like men. In those few moments, they aged a few years. Talk about bragging rights. :)
 
Can you imagine turning around and having a large feline sitting 3 ft from your face! :what:

Condition white? Or just Condition Turkey Bird w/ the exclusion of things that might like to eat turkeys?

Glad they were armed and had the presence of mind.

"Shall I shoot it?" LOL!
 
I think it was in '91 when "Save the Cat" was approved by the losers (voters).
 
yeah!

Think about it,a 14yr old and a 17yr old with guns,just like when I was a kid.(only I never came close to actualy shooting a turkey or mtn lion)
These kids...oop's young men, acted alot better then most adults in the bay area would have acted.

Why isn't this all over the TV news like the mtn lion killing the mtn biker and assaulting the (unarmed) female ex marine?

Mike Moore would rather these young men die rather then fight back.
 
Well the good news is, so long as the kids are telling the truth there'll be powder burns on the fur. Proof positive of how close the sucker was.

Megakitties DO NOT get that close to people unless they're up to no good.
 
I live (somewhat) near St Helena. It's rural, but not more rural than Healdsburg. Both are practically Bay Area.

There's a lot of people left around here with heads screwed on straight, and these two kids are two examples of that. My hat's off to them, I don't know that I'd have been able to react like that.


No way a 20 gauge would have been effective at anything but point blank range.
 
Have you seen the teeth on these things?? I've seen on Discovery, and I can tell ya, I don't want to be that close to a cat that size!!

I've had my share of violent turkeys with like 3inch razor claws.. But let me just say, Mt Cats are a WHOLE different ball game!

Glad the lads are alright, and I'm sure they are glad they learned to shoot!!

If it were me, I'm with the Antibubba... Condition BROWN!!

BTW.. The kitty just wanted breakfast lads are lucky they weren't the menu..
 
It's really amazing how quite these large preditors are (Cougar and Bear). They can sneak right up to you and you won't notice them unless you're looking right at them..
 
excellent. kudos to the boys.
condition brown, indeed.

And the two folks here in L.A. a couple months ago - mountain bikers, two sepearte parties, man partially eaten, woman later grabbed by the head and dragged off. Found but iirc died of wounds, in the hospital - she was a former Marine?? Did not know that.

I hike in Angeles Forest north of L.A. with my shephard, Reported sightings of mountain lion between hiking location and my home, keep a .45 or .357 in Open Carry.
Same when hiking in Sequoia Forest.

Both regions have had major fire burns in the last couple years, critters are doubled up. Plus the marijuana farms in the Sierras along the Kern river.

Only prudent thing to do.
 
I've heard it said of mountain lions that most people attacked (or usual prey for that matter) aren't aware of it until it is too late. Looks like he turned around at just the right moment.

Of course if this wasn't the bloodthirsty lot at THR posting on this someone would be bound to have said "cats attack by surprise so one he saw it he was no longer in danger" (note the irony please ;)) - who wants to take that risk?

63lb cat and a 14 year old boy. In a 'fair' fight boy has no chance. In a genuinely fair fight boy wins out.

[mother] "You have to let them grow up."

White's father agrees.

"This doesn't mean I won't let him go hunting again. We live in the country and that's the kind of thing you can expect," he said. "It's all part of growing up in the country."

Sensible parents.
 
No-good kids.... everybody knows if the mtn lion is that close, you just reach out and scratch him under his chin until he purrs contentedly.

Well, everybody at PETA knows that.....

:neener:
 
Dressed in camouflage fatigues, White, armed with a .20-gauge shotgun

A .20 gauge? Must have really, really hurt his shoulder when he fired it!:D

Seriously, though, a 20 gauge is plenty of gun for a mountain lion. Not the ideal choice, but at close range, it has like twice the energy of a .44 magnum, right?
 
I'm surprised

I'm surprised that California didn't prosecute the boy for killing a harmless little kitty in cold blood, and then charge the parents for allowing a minor to have a firearm.;)
 
I am glad these kids were ok. I had a couple of scary times as as kid, but nothing quite that scary.

One time my buddies and I almost had a run in with a Momma bear and her three cubs!! We setup a big tent in our backyard when I was probably 13. My brother and I had about six friends over. We all slept in the tent that night. The problem was we had all sorts of food and goodies in the tent. In the morning we all woke up and went in the house because Mom was going to make french toast for breakfast. While we were eating we looked out the window to see momma bear nosing around the tent!!!:what: After that I never went into the woods withought being armed. I don't know what good a 10/22 would do against an angry mother bear, but it would have been better then nothing.
 
Mountain lions don't miss when they swipe... they pounce. Boy is lying through his teeth and shot it at a distance. Parents should be fined for illegal poaching.
 
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