CA: Beware other states! This is what we're up against

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This is the worst law I've seen in awhile. California's SB 489.

All the leftist talk in this article, but they don't come out and really say that most if not all handguns will be banned come 2007 if they're not redesigned. I'm not really optimistic that all the current gun makers that are in California now are going to be selling guns in California come 2007.

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/2459400/detail.html

Assembly Passes Bill Requiring New Handgun Devices
Device Makes Guns Impossible To Fire
(Brilliant! We can't ban them so lets make them not work.)

POSTED: 12:38 p.m. PDT September 5, 2003

LOS ANGELES -- Attempting to reduce accidental handgun shootings in California, the state Assembly has passed a bill requiring new safety designs in semiautomatic handguns sold in the state after 2006 and 2007.

The bill requires gun manufacturers to add indicators that show if there is a bullet in the chamber, or make it impossible to fire if the ammunition magazine is not inserted in the gun.

The measure would require manufacturers to add one of the options by Jan. 1, 2006, and both options a year later. Without the new designs, semiautomatic handguns would be ineligible for sale in California, one of the country's largest gun markets.

"We believe this measure will change the way guns are manufactured nationwide," said Eric Gorovitz, policy director of the Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, which sponsored the bill.
(Great!)

Like gun bills in previous years, the legislation passed Thursday provoked a stormy debate between the Assembly's urban and coastal gun control advocates and other members from small towns and rural areas who maintained that gun owners are overly regulated.

Backers called it the nation's first bill to require both design changes and cited studies that the devices could prevent 24 percent of accidental shootings. It was carried by Sen. Jack Scott, D-Altadena, who lost a son to an accidental shooting (With a shotgun! which this law doesn't effect, and we all know the reputation the gun banners have in their research.)

But Assembly opponents, largely Republicans, disagreed, saying it will make guns more dangerous as owners rely on devices that can fail. "It's really simple why we're doing this. We're doing this because the (Democratic) majority doesn't like guns," said Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta.

The Assembly, voting 41-33, sent the bill back to the Senate for agreement to minor changes made in the bill. It must also be signed by Gov. Gray Davis to become law.

The bill, which does not apply to handguns used by police officers, required two votes before it passed. (This is genuinely about safety alright)

A legislative analysis of the bills says 11 percent of semiautomatic handguns sold nationally have chamber load indicators while 14 percent have devices that make it impossible to fire when the magazine is removed.
(Key words are sold nationally Only a fraction of guns sold in other states can be legally sold in California, why the useless hyperbole? You can bet the gun banners are mentioning this over and over because most people don't know how restrictive the state really is with handguns.)

"If you can add relatively cheap safety devices to guns to prevent accidental shootings, why wouldn't we want to do that?" asked Assemblyman Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento. "Where is the burden on the legitimate gun owner?"
(How about a defacto gun ban? They think we're this stupid! Apparently some people are.)

But opponents called it needless meddling in the lives of legal gun owners, and criticized legislators such as Steinberg, who acknowledged under questioning that he doesn't own a gun.

"Here you've got a guy who has never owned a gun and he wants to tell us what to do," said Assemblyman Dennis Mountjoy, R-Monrovia.

The remark prompted a Democratic lawmaker's quip later in the debate about conservatives who don't have uteruses voting on women's' issues.

"Where I grew up as a child it was a little different," said Assemblyman Ken Maddox, R-Garden Grove. "We were taught to treat every gun as a loaded gun. My family has owned dozens of firearms and never had a problem because every gun was a loaded gun."
 
Railroader's right, guns on the list are exempt perpetually, at least as long as the manufacturers keeps paying the extortion... I mean maintenance... fee each year to keep each gun on the list.

If a manufacturer would to let the "safe gun" certification lapse, I'm sure the CA gov would at least try to insist that a gun would need the new features before it could be re-added.
 
The bill requires gun manufacturers to add indicators that show if there is a bullet in the chamber,
If a person is not smart enough to not point a gun at someone that they don't intend to kill, how would you expect them to be smart enough to pay any attention to the "indicator" ....? :rolleyes:
 
CA THR PROJECT:

Present every Democrat decision maker in the state of CA a box containing a handguns with a magazine disconnect and loaded chamber indicator loaded with a Snapcap. Stick them in a sound proof room with video cameras and see how many of these guys can safely handle the firearm without violating all the rules in front of the Senate.
 
Seems to me that legislators need to have a real gun education before they start writing legislation on them.

And I think that any gun owner who lives in CA better get the hell out of there, pronto!
 
how would you expect them to be smart enough to pay any attention to the "indicator"

Or even know what/where the indicator is?:banghead:

Which brings us back to having a proper firearm education in the first place.
 
railroader said:
I may be wrong but the way I understood the law was for new models of guns to be safety tested to be put on the "not unsafe list" would have to have those features. Guns presently on the list would be okay. http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/bill/sen...4_sen_comm.html Mark


There is an expiration date of one year for said guns being on the list. The manufacturers have to pay money every year to keep them on the list. I'm not sure if this is considered resubmittion or that the gun has some special status because it was already tested.

Now lets say the guns that don't have the safety devices that are already on the list expire. They may never get the test. Doesn't this new law make them automatically unsafe? It appears that way. Why would these guns be exempt?
 
I may have answered my own question.

http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/regs/sb15regs.htm


§ 968.91 - Roster of Certified Handgun Listing Renewal Procedures



A handgun model listing on the Roster of Certified Handguns must be renewed prior to expiration in order to remain valid. The following is the procedure for renewal of a listing:


(a) The DOJ will mail a renewal notice to each manufacturer/importer or other responsible person 60 days prior to the expiration of the handgun model listing.


(b) The manufacturer/importer or other responsible person wishing to renew the listing shall submit to the DOJ a copy of the renewal notice with the annual maintenance fee set forth in § 968.95.


(c) Once these requirements are met and the request has been processed, the DOJ will send a notification that the listing has been renewed.


(d) If the manufacturer/importer or other responsible person fails to comply with these renewal requirements, the handgun model listing shall expire by operation of law at midnight on the date of expiration of the listing and the model will be removed from the Roster.


Authority cited: Sections 12131, 12131.5 Penal Code. Reference: Sections 12125 - 12133 Penal Code.
 
Next they will make the manufacturers add loaded chamber indicators and cylinder disconnects to revolvers so the firearm can't be accidentally fired when the cylinder is opened.:p For the children, you know.
 
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