CA Bloombergs Auto Makers

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Has anyone else noticed that Mayor Michael Bloomberg's strategy of suing gun manufacturers for crimes committed by their products has been used by California to sue automobile manufacturers for contributing to global warming?

Both instances attempt to exert local control over matters covered by federal law. California's suit brushes the problem away by asserting that because the federal government failed to do as California wants, California has the right to bring suit.

My recollection is that the strategy comes out of the Brady Campaign's playbook for forcing the firearms industry to spend resources on defending such suits. General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co., two of the defendants in this suit, are having serious financial problems already. The need to defend against this suit can't help them survive.

I read an editorial attack on this strategy published in today's Wall Street Journal. That editorial echoed arguments in favor of the "Lawful Commerce in Industry" act passed last year in an attempt to protect the firearms industry from being sued for practices that are lawful. The law hasn't prevented Bloomberg from suing the firearms industry in federal court and it hasn't prevented Judge Weinberg from allowing his suits to proceed.

There's some irony in legal attacks by cities and states that hurt legitimate American businesses that do business in accordance with law. Perhaps there's something prophetic in those bumper stickers that say "Guns are responsible for crime the way Rosie O'Donnell's fork is responsible for fat." Maybe New York City and California will take the lead in suing manufacturers of tableware for causing obesity and eating disorders. We live in wondrous times.

At any rate, here's a report of the California suit as published--ironically--on Bloomberg.com:


California Sues GM, Ford, Toyota Over Global Warming (Update3)

By Karen Gullo and Alan Ohnsman

Sept. 20 (Bloomberg) -- California sued the six biggest automakers in the U.S., including General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co., for making vehicles that cost the state billions of dollars in its fight against the effects of global warming.

General Motors, Ford, Toyota Motor Corp., DaimlerChrysler AG, Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co. have created a ``public nuisance'' by making millions of vehicles that emit huge quantities of carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas that increases the temperature of the earth's atmosphere, according to a complaint filed today in U.S. District Court in Oakland.

``Vehicle emissions are the single most rapidly growing source of the carbon emissions contributing to global warming, yet the federal government and the automakers have refused to act,'' said California Attorney General Bill Lockyer in a statement. His is the first state to sue auto companies over emissions linked to global warming, according to his spokeswoman, Teresa Schilling.

The suit, which seeks compensation for pollution and erosion caused by increased greenhouse gas levels, is the latest initiative by California to push businesses and the federal government to address global warming. The state legislature approved a measure last month to force utilities to cut emissions, and the state has sued the U.S. for failing to address the effects of carbon dioxide emissions.

Targeted

California has already targeted carmakers with laws that would require them to lower emissions. The state enacted rules in 2004 that sought to force cuts in the amount of carbon dioxide and other tailpipe gases by up to 30 percent in cars sold in the state. Other states have adopted or are weighing similar rules.

Today's lawsuit claimed the auto companies are violating federal and state laws against creating a public nuisance, which in California bans action ``which affects at the same time an entire community or neighborhood, or any considerable number of persons.'' Nuisances are ``anything which is injurious to health,'' obstructs free use of property or interferes with the comfortable enjoyment of life or property, the complaint said.

A similar lawsuit filed by New York, California, New Jersey and five other states against utilities was dismissed in New York federal court. That case alleged that utility power plants pump 650 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere each year, causing a public nuisance by reducing water supplies, raising sea levels and exposing people to smog that can cause asthma.

Similar Suit

The suit was filed against American Electric Power Co., Xcel Energy Inc., Cinergy Corp., Southern Co., and the Tennessee Valley Authority. U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska in Manhattan dismissed the case last September, saying it raised questions ``consigned to the political branches that are accountable to the people.'' Her ruling is on appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals in New York.

John Kostyack, senior counsel for the National Wildlife Federation, an environmental protection group, said he expected Preska's ruling to be reversed.

``I think these are both viable cases,'' Kostyack said. ``Nuisance law is really designed for situations where the legislature fails to address harms.''

Patrick Long, president-elect of DRI, an association of defense lawyers and corporate counsel, said he saw similarities between the California suit and the power-plant case.

Legislation

``The most productive way to approach these issues would be through legislation that would affect automobile manufacturers that market automobiles in all 50 states,'' said Long, whose firm, Long, Williamson & Delis, is based in Santa Ana, California. ``What one state calls a public nuisance the next state may not.''

California Attorney General Lockyer said automakers emit 289 million tons of carbon dioxide, accounting for 20 percent of all such emissions in the U.S. and 30 percent of emissions in California.

Dave Barthmuss, a spokesman for Detroit-based General Motors, said the company is reviewing the lawsuit. DaimlerChrysler spokesman Max Gates, Toyota spokeswoman Mira Sleilati and Nissan spokeswoman Katherine Zachary declined to comment.

Shares of GM, the world's largest automaker, rose 37 cents to $31.77 in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Shares of Dearborn, Michigan-based Ford rose 9 cents to $7.75, and U.S. shares of Stuttgart, Germany-based DaimlerChrysler rose 70 cents to $49.99.

Toughest Standards

American depositary receipts of Aichi, Japan-based Toyota, No. 2 in global sales, rose 93 cents to $107.29 in New York. Honda's American depositary receipts rose 36 cents to $32.91 in New York and Tokyo-based Nissan's shares rose 22 cents to $22.58 in Nasdaq Stock Market composite trading.

California legislators approved the toughest pollution limits in the U.S. last month, requiring utilities, oil refineries and other companies to cut emissions tied to global warming by 25 percent in the next 14 years. California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican who is seeking re-election this year, said he supports the measure.

Automakers have sued to overturn the new state emissions rules. Redesigning cars to address such restrictions would cost the industry billions of dollars, carmakers have claimed. California asked a federal court on Sept. 15 to throw out an industry complaint. The judge has yet to rule.

`Rising Temperatures'

``Rising temperatures are threatening California's economy, health and environment,'' said Amy Lynd Luers, a climate researcher with the Union of Concerned Scientists, in a statement. ``Automakers are contributing to global warming.''

Carbon dioxide is a byproduct of burning gasoline. Car companies say the only way to meet California's emissions rules is to reduce vehicle fuel consumption. They claim the state is trying to regulate fuel economy, or the number of miles a car runs on a gallon of gas, a standard which is set by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

``The federal government, through the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, should raise federal fuel economy standards as the means of addressing the issue,'' said American Honda Motor Co. Inc., in an e-mailed statement. The company declined to comment on the lawsuit.

GM, Honda, and Toyota have said they are developing so- called fuel-cell cars in response to consumer demand for better fuel economy amid higher gas prices. Fuel cells produce only water vapor as a byproduct.

`Billions of Dollars'

Today's lawsuit claimed that Californians have suffered ``billions of dollars in damages, including millions of dollars of funds expended to determine the extent, location and nature of future harms.''

Global warming has forced the state to prepare for and mitigate those harms, and caused ``billions of dollars of current harm to the value of flood control infrastructure'' and natural resources such as the snow pack and the coastline, according to the complaint.

Schwarzenegger, who has been a critic of regulations considered too expensive for business, has backed carbon dioxide limits for automobiles and last month struck a deal with lawmakers over greenhouse gas limits that some business groups opposed.

``We applaud any effort to defend California's right to clean our air,'' said Linda Adams, California Secretary for Environmental Protection, when asked about Lockyer's suit.

The lawsuit is California v. General Motors, 06-05755, U.S. District Court, Northern District of California.
 
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Ha! Nicely done.

But I've been wondering, and I think you'll like this ....

I wonder if it would be possible to begin filing class action suits against city, state, and federal officials for irritating the hell out of me. I understand that such behavior and its consequence do not violate any federal, state, or local laws.

If it did, I would have a legal remedy. Since it doesn't, I have no other legal remedy except to file suit against Mayor Bloomberg and every other official--big or small, as long as they tick me off--and, therefore, I should be entitled to have my complaint heard in federal court.

I don't think I'm being foolish in that logic because there should be some cause of action--possibly several causes of action--under Amendments VIII, IX, and X to the Constitution. It clearly is "cruel and unusual punishment" that they inflict upon me when I have no way to get them to quit doing what bugs me. If I am not a citizen of New York City, furthermore, I can't vote for other mayoral candidates no matter how much its Mayor Bloomberg irritates me and no matter how much he affects my life. Since he has reached outside of New York City to effect his (and its) will, shouldn't I--and everyone else--have the right to vote in that City's elections? And in the elections of the cities headed by mayors who have joined his coalition? It's their making me unhappy that's the major issue right now, and the cruel and unusual punishment they inflict upon me by doing it.

Amendment VIII is not specific in limiting the prohibition to cruel and unusual punishment for crimes or in any other way. Articles IX and X go further in giving me more rights than those enumerated in the Constitution.

The right that these rich and powerful people are violating is my right to happiness, which the Declaration of Independence asserts is an "inalienable right." So the right exists and, in fact, it existed before the Constitution and has not be specifically altered by the Constitution. It's a real right and cannot be taken away from me.

I've observed that you also seem to be made unhappy from time to time by the outrageous behavior of officials, and they have similar effect on others here too. Wouldn't you be interested in joining a class of plaintiffs who would sue them for making us unhappy? If so, maybe there are some lawyers here who would be interested too.
 
To fight the rising obesity here in the US, congress has enacted a antiobesity bill that mandates spoons will be made with holes in them to drain out excess.:D




Bloomers annoys the heck out of me as well.Laugh at him if you want but who gets to pay the added costs after the legislation and lawsuits? We do,the consumers.
 
Maybe New York City and California will take the lead in suing manufacturers of tableware for causing obesity and eating disorders.
They will sue McDonald's, BK, and Wendy's. Gotta have deep pockets.

Mark my words, it will happen.
 
Bloomers annoys the heck out of me as well.Laugh at him if you want but who gets to pay the added costs after the legislation and lawsuits? We do,the consumers.

Don't mistake me. I am not laughing at Bloomberg and I meant exactly what I said about wanting to stimulate class action suits against him, the other mayors, and their cities.

I also meant what I said about the need for people throughout the entire country to vote in those cities' elections: when the cities reach beyond their municipal boundaries, the nation's voters should have the right to reach back.

I am well aware that the taxpayers pay the costs of legislation and lawsuits. It is right and proper that they do: the voters among those taxpayers elect and support their officials, so the taxpayers should pay the costs for the actions of those officials. My intent is to increase their costs as much as possible, to the point at which taxes in those cities rise to intolerable levels if possible.

If individual taxpayers are willing to pay substantial additional taxes to support their officials when they impose on other people--people who have no say in the matter--that is simply the way the world works and I will take some consolation in money I get from them as compensation. The more money they pay to me, the more consolation I will have.

Perhaps it is time for more people to think that way instead of wringing their hands.
 
I stumbled upon this thread while searching for something else, and I thought I'd mention that this suit was nothing more than a publicity stunt for (at the time) Attorney General Bill Lockyer, who was being forced out of his job because of term limits, and so was running for treasurer, a race we won.

The California DOJ's Firearms Division was a part of his office while he was A.G., by the way.
 
They should pull their plants, and any outsourcing out of Cali. Stop selling cars there, and concentrate on the rest of America where their products are welcomed. It would also lower the cost of the car a bit 'cause the wouldn't have to worry about all the california crap.

They definately should stop selling cop cars to the state of california.

Just my opinion though.
 
They should pull their plants, and any outsourcing out of Cali. Stop selling cars there, and concentrate on the rest of America where their products are welcomed. It would also lower the cost of the car a bit 'cause the wouldn't have to worry about all the California crap.

They definitely should stop selling cop cars to the state of California.

Just my opinion though.

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Half of all the cars sold west of the Mississippi are sold in Southern California..the auto guys have lots and lots of $$ and lawyers...they are not going anywhere for quite a while..

California will continue to create social and economic policy and it does influence the rest of the country. Like it or not...we have the the some of the most extrema liberals in the country...and they get re-elected..

Socialist paradise is the agenda..open borders, universal health care, no guns-of course .. etc .. will it happen..eventually..its a numbers game..with over a million illegals crossing over each year...amnesty is almost certain in one form or another..and as we see Los Angeles rapidly become Mexico City (former mayor of LA declared LA a Mexican City)and as the demographics change in other cities and states..the formula to run city and state governments will change..

With this transformation..will we produce anything other than government to provide employment or education..will we resemble Mexico City with the surrounding poverty..(visit Pacoima for a preview)..

If you ask why politicians and business leaders would want to do this..just look at a third world country...the leaders are all rich and have no one to account to...

Paradise indeed
 
Do what Barrett did and stop dealing with CA completely. Automakers should purposely make automobiles NOT CA smog compliant, stop servicing and selling to public transportation, government and law enforcement officials, and so forth.

What a socialist hole. General Electric and other large electrical companies should stop dealing with them too before they pass that lightbulb ban :rolleyes:

The only problem with all these bans and laws is soon they will whine that Californians can't own anything, and they will start migrating to other parts of the US to do the same thing there.
 
I wonder if Arnold is going to get rid of all of those gas guzzling hummers he
owns to help stop Global warming:mad:
 
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