I apologize if I didn't come across as high road, I just feel strongly in helping someone out when an honest mistake is made. Doesn't matter if it is government regulation or store policy. Doesn't matter if we agree with the policy or regulation. The employee that is effected did not make the rules. If Bloomberg or Feinstein asked you to comeback I can understand not doing it. If average Joe trying to make a living makes a mistake, help them out. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Cabela's screwed up--should I worry?
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I apologize if I didn't come across as high road, I just feel strongly in helping someone out when an honest mistake is made. Doesn't matter if it is government regulation or store policy. Doesn't matter if we agree with the policy or regulation. The employee that is effected did not make the rules. If Bloomberg or Feinstein asked you to comeback I can understand not doing it. If average Joe trying to make a living makes a mistake, help them out. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
Deanimator
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It ABSOLUTELY matters whether it's government regulation or store policy.
I obey the law.
I don't give a flying Biden about "store policy". If they violate their OWN policy, that's THEIR problem.
Ridgerunner665
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You should go back and finish the form...they offered compensation, no reason to say no.
PavePusher
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D'oh, True! But doesn't make my conclusion any less accurate...ATF didn't invent the NFA of 1934 or the Gun Control Act of 1968.
OUR elected Congressmen did.
230RN
2A was "political" when it was first adopted.
Just a side note...
Two new Cabelas stores opened up here in CO, with the usual advertising blitz whenever a big retail outfit goes "live." You know, Press Releases presented as if they were actual news, etc.
I was very pleased to note that on TV they're actually advertising a particular defensive handgun right there on on-the-air TV! (Ruger .380.) Who'd'a thunk it!
I sure hope that's a breakthrough in advertising.
Terry, 230RN
Two new Cabelas stores opened up here in CO, with the usual advertising blitz whenever a big retail outfit goes "live." You know, Press Releases presented as if they were actual news, etc.
I was very pleased to note that on TV they're actually advertising a particular defensive handgun right there on on-the-air TV! (Ruger .380.) Who'd'a thunk it!
I sure hope that's a breakthrough in advertising.
Terry, 230RN
And attitudes like that helps how? Pretty selfish considering the person who will suffer did not make the policy. The person who suffers is a guy trying to make a living earning a little over minimum wage. He made a mistake. Some people only care about themselves and would not go to any lengths to help another person. It is a shame too. Growing up a small southern town I was taught to put others above myself.
wally
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If things got ugly between Cabela's and the BATFE, you've answered questions under penalty of perjury as attested to by your signature on the back of the form. The question you failed to answer could be considered a lie by omission, especially if you refuse to correct it.
I'd go back and fix it.
Bubbles
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This is correct. When we've had to send firearms in for gunsmithing out to another gunsmith (because there are some things we can't do), the gun can come back and be returned to the customer with no 4473. We've had three compliance inspections in the last five years and the IOI was fine with this.
As for the OP, had the gunsmith shipped the rifle directly back to him there wouldn't have been a problem. Because the gunsmith shipped the rifle to an FFL who wasn't involved in the repair process, a 4473 was required.
NavyLCDR
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Oh... I see something that I didn't see before....
That was the initial screw up. Not sure what state this occurred in, but the rifle should have been returned directly back to the OP since he, apparently, shipped it directly to the gunsmith to start with. That does change things.
1. Like in my situation...if he took the rifle to Cabela's for no other reason than shipping it in for repair or customization, and the rifle was returned to Cabela's and then returned to the original owner from which Cabela's received the rifle from the first time, no form 4473 would be required because that exception for the form 4473 contained in Federal regulations (quoted in post #30) applies to dealers equally as gunsmiths.
2. The OP's situation DOES require Cabela's to do the form 4473 because they are not returning the rifle to the original owner that THEY received it from. I didn't see that until now.
In this case, unless there is something screwy in Montbar's state laws, he created this fiasco by having the rifle returned to Cabela's in the first place when it should have been just returned to him directly and he should do whatever it takes to go back and correct the mistake.
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dogtown tom
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It may not have been the OP's choice...............some manufacturers and gunsmiths refuse to ship ANY firearm directly back to the customer, preferring to ship only to a licensed dealer.
Federal law allows direct return for "gunsmithing", but does not require it.
When I worked at a gun shop a gun kept overnight for repair or scope mounting required another 4473 to be made out. That is the law per the ATF. You can argue all day but they hold the cards it seems. I have mailed guns to manufactures and they were returned w/o the need of 4473's.
I'd drive the hour to Cabela's and take the gift certificate and say it was a lesson learned. This gun thing is going to get a lot more complicated as time goes on. Just be glad you got the gun back, many don't.
I'd drive the hour to Cabela's and take the gift certificate and say it was a lesson learned. This gun thing is going to get a lot more complicated as time goes on. Just be glad you got the gun back, many don't.
Queen_of_Thunder
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What is it worth to you to you to stay out of jail.
BSA1
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Agreed. I am still trying to figure out why the O.P. and some of the other hard heads are willing to give the BAFT agents a reason to visit them at their home.
NavyLCDR
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That might have been the law as the individual ATF agent told you (who would be incorrect), but that is not what the ATF as an organization says is the law.
BoilerUP
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I seriously doubt he's in a hoosgow somewhere.
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JoeDorn
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"What are you guys thinking of driving to Cabela's in? A deuce and a half? $50 for an hour trip each way means if you got even 11 MPG, you're coming out ahead. It's an honest mistake, it seems, and they're treating you pretty fair to try to correct it."
How many times have you walked into a Cabela's and left without a purchase?
FWIW, I did one time and even had a totally clean Cabela's card at the time... I was on a mission that day...
How many times have you walked into a Cabela's and left without a purchase?
FWIW, I did one time and even had a totally clean Cabela's card at the time... I was on a mission that day...
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