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Friend had a homicide call over the weekend. A 13 year old boy shot his sister in the head with a .25 ACP. When questioned the boy said that he read on the internet that the .25ACP is not a lethal round, he said it is supposed to bounce off the skull according to a forum thread that he read. He just wanted to teach her a lesson for making fun of his new girlfriend.

Condolenses to the family. Its really said that the parents didn't teach this boy about firearms, instead they secretly "hid" the gun. You can't hide anything from a teenager.
 
That's the one of the worst excuses for a cold blooded killing I've ever heard. That kid sounds full of it if I had to guess.
 
Unfortunately, it probably is not a cold-blooded killing, and he thought just what he says.

A surprising number of people, including gun people, believe that a .22 or a .25 or a .32 will not hurt anyone. In fact, several arguments have taken place right on this site, with statements to the effect that nothing less than 9mm, or .45, or .44 can possibly cause injury. Even the .38 Special has been derided as useless.

This kind of nonsense has to be combatted every time it crops up. ALL FIREARMS ARE DANGEROUS AND DEADLY WEAPONS, and we shouldn't allow the advocates of super power to pretend otherwise.

Jim
 
I was shot with a .25, and damn sure wouldnt step up and ask for another.
However... I still carry a .44 and .45, and wouldnt suggest a .25 to ANYONE :D


Jim
 
This kid obviously didn't learn you can't believe everything you read on the internets....

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The fact that a small caliber handgun is not the "weapon of choice" for many people does not change the fact that many people own one, and the fact that they can kill a person just as dead as a the biggest bore gun made.

Would I recommend one? NO. Would I tell anyone they are not dangerous or deadly weapons? NO, but people have said exactly that.

Jim
 
Too bad he didn't test the theory on himself first.
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Really? That's just bad form Supernaut. We should be upset when ignorant kids hurt or kill anyone, even themselves.

My prayers to the family of the victim.
 
Tragic...

So, since this has cropped up... at what age do you tell your children about guns. I have a 6 year old girl and 2 year old boy. I keep my 9mm locked up in my closet on a shelf. This will change when I get my permit. But this is what I do for now.
 
Too bad he didn't test the theory on himself first.
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If the facts of the case are as presented, I'm quite sure this 13 year old will spend the rest of his life wishing he had tested the theory himself first. Imaging living with the knowledge that you were responsible for your own sister's death. Very tragic.
 
Very tragic story. Although I would NEVER carry a .25...or suggest one, in NO way means I would ever suggest they are not deadly.
As for this...
So, since this has cropped up... at what age do you tell your children about guns.
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My son is 11. From the time he could crawl/walk I told him of the dangers of guns while cleaning them. As he got older the talks became more intense/indepth. I started with gun safety before he was 3. I was taking him shooting the .22 by the time he was 5. I guess for me, since guns ARE a part of normalcy around my home it was the same as talking about not touching the stove/outlets/knives around the house unless with an adult. There is no *Ooohh Mommy is away...I gotta find that gun and play with it*. IF he wants to see/handle one of my guns, he comes and gets me and we sit together, checking that it is unloaded, and he safely handles/looks it over and asks his questions. Guns here are second nature because they are as natural in our home as tools.

Caryn
 
Caryn,

Thanks... I will try to figure out a way to bring it up to my daughter and son when the time comes... Thanks for the advice.

Ben
 
I am glad I could help. For me it was easy to bring up. While cleaning I just started going over the basics. This worked really well for me...but stressing the points of safety. Repetition is key IMO. Maybe buy them a toy gun to teach the basics with, if you or your wife are uncomfortable with them handling real firearms?
Good luck to you, knowledge is power and earlier the better.

Caryn
 
WOW!

My condolences to the Family


I too have witnessed the downright stupidity posted about smaller calibers on this and other boards. My take on the matter is handgun cartridge choice for many is inexplicably and inversely linked to a certain part of the male anatomy. I need not mention how higher thinking processes involuntarily shut down in most men in any matter involved with such physiology.

The worst offenders are usually associated with a religious cult started in the US that dates back to 1911
 
Rob G said:
Really? That's just bad form Supernaut. We should be upset when ignorant kids hurt or kill anyone, even themselves.

My prayers to the family of the victim.
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If he had tested the theory on himself we would be less one idiot and his sister would still be alive. May not be touchy-feely, but it is the truth.

Additionally, I'm not convinced the story is factual, doesn't pass my smell test. I will apologize the second I see a corroborating link.
 
I Googled the proper words and

cannot come up with any kind of news story like that.

That doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen, except I would also like to see a link to the news story.

Thanks.
 
Teach your children when they are young!

So, since this has cropped up... at what age do you tell your children about guns.
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I have 5 daughters, and every one of them has gone through "Daddy's gun school", which is a session where we all sit on the floor and I show them an assortment of guns and bullets...all the way from shotgun shells, 30.06, .44 magnum, .45 acp, .357 magnum, .38 spl, 9mm, down to the lowly .25 & .22 calibers. I start at the largest and ask, "can this kill someone?" They say "yes", so then I move on down the line. As we get to the smaller rounds, they start to have the questioning look on their faces. I assure them that "yes" each round could indeed kill someone. Finally, we get down to the .25 & .22. I ask the question again. Because the round looks so tiny, they just "know" that there is no way it could hurt anyone. You should see the look on their faces when I look them square in the eye and tell them that, yes this bullet can kill you dead!! Suddenly they have the correct perspective of guns and bullets. Of couse I also show them the guns as well. I also have a "knife school" they have to attend before any of them gets their first pocket knife.

The oldest two are now married. #3 is a senior in college, #4 is in the Army, and #5 is 15 yrs old and still at home. They all talk about "daddy's gun & knife school". It's nice to know the message was heard and taken to heart. We live in the country and have ALWAYS had guns easily accessible and within reach.

If you are going to have guns in your home do not allow them to be a mystery and curiosity. Incidentally all our daughters have shot all the calibers mentioned about, and have a very serious respect for what they can do.
 
+1 with FoMoGo

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I was shot with a .25, and damn sure wouldnt step up and ask for another.
However... I still carry a .44 and .45, and wouldnt suggest a .25 to ANYONE
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Amen to that. I was hit with an industrial staple that went clean through the bone on one of my fingers - nonlethal - but I damn sure wouldn't ask for more.:eek: I know even a .25 has more power than a pneumatic stapler...:what:

It is sad, regardless how it happened and why.
 
As for what age to start? They are never too young to learn to leave the gun alone!

I started my son with the word "no" when it came to firearms at the ripe old age of one. I kept the weapons and ammo separate, and they were locked where he couldn't get them, but he knew not to touch them. As he got older we progressed from there. He has been to the range with me, and he handles a firearm with complete safety. Now if I could just get him to handle his bicycle that safely!

As for stating that I would never trust a .25 as first line defense weapon because it's an underpowered piece of offal, I stand by that. However, I would never make the asinine statement that it is safe, or in any way harmless. One of the biggest kodiak bears on record was shot by an Inuit woman. She brought that huge animal down with one extremely lucky shot from a .22LR. It was a lucky shot for her, but not so lucky from the bear's perspective. Any firearm is dangerous and potentially deadly, and all firearms should be treated with respect even if you don't respect the caliber.
 
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My take on the matter is handgun cartridge choice for many is inexplicably and inversely linked to a certain part of the male anatomy.
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For some it may be true, just like for some, the car they drive makes them feel like a man.

With guns, I think there are some people who just happen to like massive recoil -- including myself.

Does that indicate that those who do not like massive recoil are in some way less a man? Not at all. To each his own.
 
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