California laws on powder & primers

[lezmark]

I have spent the last 10 minutes trying to find out what the laws are here. Yeah, I know how loonie we are here. Anyone know where I can find out how much one can legally have?

 

[savanahsdad]

check with your local fire department ,or you homeowners insurance agent ,

 

[Rule3]

Don't ask your HO insurance agent! Odds are there will be so many questions your policy will be canceled!

OH you have flammable and explosives? You have guns in the home??

We must have your Papers!

 

[Gemmer]

PM sent.

 

[Reloadron]

The way it should work is in accordance with the NFPA regulations which our friends at SAAMI have published here. Most states, all I am aware of would fall under the NFPA, but that is not to say California does. The trick is to find out if CA adheres to NFPA rules and regulations or if they have their own. I wish you the best of luck out there.

Ron

 

[mdi]

Try Calguns.net. You can prolly find something there. I escaped the L.A. area in 2009 and at that time there were no restrictions I encountered when purchasing powder and primers. I believe there are some cities that have restriction on ammo (cannot be purchased before holidays and no mail/net order), but don't know about components...

If there are quantity restrictions, I never heard of any nor heard of any inspections on private property. There are Fire Department suggestions though...

 

[2011redrider]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=966323

Depends on your city or County if you live in an unincorporated area. Seem generaly 20# of powder and 10,000 primers.

 

[Rule3]

I know Maryland has rules and restrictions and you must register the powder you buy so the Fire Marshall can check. Who knows what California requires??

I am not a lawyer and therefore not YOUR lawyer I have read Florida Gov't Statutes for years and stayed in a Holiday Inn Express


http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=hsc&group=12001-13000&file=12101-12112



12102. This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20
pounds or less of smokeless powder, or one pound or less of black
sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small
arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or
small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in
the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery,
or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black
powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities
having jurisdiction for fire prevention and suppression in the area
of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.

 

[TBJK]

I'd say it's none of their damn business how much we have. But hey that's me.

 

[Dudedog]

Had not found that one before,
thanks Rule3.

 

[au_prospector]

What ever you do, for heavens sake dont ask your Homeowners Insurance Company.

 

[gamestalker]

I'm kind of on the same page as TBJK, in that, I wouldn't want to attract any attention to my home, or the fact that I reload.

But I also thought I heard something about having to register primers and powder when you purchase in California, not sure about that though. Either way though, and IMO, I would avoid attracting attention by asking the officials, cause I can just about promise you once you do, they'll start trying to monitor how much you have, storage conditions, fire codes, ect, ect..

GS

 

[jbj]

In CA, over a certain quantity, you have to have special containment facilities on you property. Large explosive storage containers, or magazines. ATF says 50lbs for indoor storage.

I remember at least two house blowing up and doing damage to the neighborhood, so it's not like it's never happened.

 

[Bigdog57]

"Registering" a consumable product just sounds stupid beyond bounds to me. So they come to check on your powder supply (duly 'registered'), will they accept that "I shot it all. It's gone."? Next they will want shooting records from a 'registered' range, properly signed and notarized by government authorized flunkies........ :banghead:

 

[Ret.CWO]

I'd say it's none of their damn business how much we have. But hey that's me.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Dudedog]

The houses "blew up" because of stored powder/primers?
Link to info on this?
Was there an estimate of how much was in the houses?

When I search for houses blowing up most of what I find is either natural gas/propane leaks or meth labs.

Sorry off thread, but I would really like to get an answer to question #2

While I don't agree with a lot of California laws, they are the law and I need to follow them.

 

[Rule3]

What is question #2??

Call your local Fire Marshal

 

[BSA1]

While smokeless powder is a low level explosive it will pose little risk to firefighters. I suppose it might pose a slight risk if in metal containers do to the pressure building up inside the can. With the plastic containers the plastic will simply melt and burn so there will not be a pressure buildup.

I store my primers and powder separately. Powder on one shelf, primers on the others and BP across the room. BP causes the most potential damage but I limit it by storing it away from everything else. If I was to use a metal cabinet for storage I would choose one with loose fitting doors to help avoid pressure build-up inside it.

With primers if it a serious fire them popping off will not pose a risk as firefights are well protected with their gear and high pressure water hoses.

 

[Dudedog]

Question #2 was requesting a link or info on the houses blowing up because of stored powder.
jbj mentioned this in his post.
I was curious if it was a fact or a rumor, but that is a topic for another thread. Sorry to side track.

 

[Lman57]

20 pounds of smokeless powder, 5lbs of Black powder, 10,000 primers.
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View Profile · View Forum Posts · Private Message ... Here in California, we can have 20 lbs of powder and 10K primers in the house. ... im glad i live out in the boonies without them pesky zoning laws .... felony penalties for possessing more than the stated amounts of gunpowder without special permits.

 

[BSA1]

Here in California, we can have 20 lbs of powder and 10K primers in the house

Does that include primers seated into the case? 20 lbs. of powder and 10k primers isn't even a start for most of reloaders I know.

felony penalties for possessing more than the stated amounts of gunpowder without special permits

Huh? Violation of Federal law? How so? Please provide citation of law since Federal law would apply to all of the States.

 

[bainter1212]

I don't believe there is any law addressing it, just fire codes. So unless the fire marshall inspects your home..........

 

[Ed Ames]

...5lbs of Black powder, ...

That is no longer correct; CA changed the limit to 1lb in a bomb scare knee jerk. Very inconvenient if you need multiple types (ffg, fffg, etc).

http://law.onecle.com/california/health/12102.html

Does that include primers seated into the case?

I know a reloader who, when he realized there was a 10k limit on stored primers, rushed to prime 5k of brass to bring himself below the limit. He reasoned the storage limit was for loose primers and didn't include those sealed into cases. I'd say primed cases aren't addressed in the text so it could be argued either way.

It doesn't include primers in loaded ammo.

 

[edfardos]

No limit I'm aware of. Individual fire marshalls put restrictions on retail stores possibly. 8lb jugs on store shelves in roseville, CA. Call around to be sure, but do not identify yourself. Some of the anti-constitution legislators are behind bars - including the guy who requires the bullet button (indicted for gun running). So the whole system has failed -- again don't identify yourself, trust no one, be safe, or move to another state.

 

[sauer1911]

Once made into bullets, there is no limit to how much ammo.

SO! If your over or close to the max of parts needed to make bullets, I would get to work rendering your parts into legal bullets.

I gotta get back to it.

be safe.