Can anyone diagnose my Model 12?

[pullnshoot25]

Hey all, I am having a problem with my Model 12 and I am wondering if I have a missing or broken part that is making my shotgun act this way. Anyone up for diagnosing it? (X-post from Calguns)

Link to YouTube video

 

[Red Label]

I cannot view videos my internet is too slow. What problem are you having?

 

[chas08]

That's Normal for the Model 12. Both my 16 ga and 12 ga do it. It takes some getting used to but I've come to like it.

 

[janobles14]

do they cycle properly?

 

[reckless carolinian]

Isn't there a retainer of sorts, spring steel or the like that holds the shells in the tube? I did find this, and it appears that there is a device of such nature on the LH side of the receiver. Reference item 29. I don't have any model 12 experience, but on my Mossberg and Ithaca, both have a similar part. Hope this helps.
http://www.okiegunsmithshop.com/win_M12.jpg

 

[chas08]

Isn't there a retainer of sorts, spring steel or the like that holds the shells in the tube?

Not on a Model 12. The carrier is the magazine shell stop also.

 

[JimKirk]

There is a retainer, it is a half circle shape on(viewing from the bottom) the right side. It is designed so that it only works to hold the shells in the magazine WHILE the carrier is on the way up to the chamber and on the way almost down at which point it releases the shell for the next trip up. If it was not there your shells would spill out while the carrier is up. Most of the Benelli auto loaders work the same way.

Jimmy K

Look for part # 11012 it is called cartridge cutoff:

http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/win12.htm

Can be seen better in this diagram: part # 29

http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/winchester-model-12-diagram

 

[1KPerDay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV6oIcCQjj8

Did you watch the video to the end? It's normal for the shells to all come shooting out of the magazine when you raise the carrier?

 

[JimKirk]

Yes I watched the OP video(if you are talking about the model 12 and not the Model 500) and yes you should NOT press the carrier with your finger or another shell unless you're loading that shell. Yes the shells will fly out just like in the video.

If it was not there your shells would spill out while the carrier is up

Jimmy K

 

[ATAShooter]

Mine is that way too. It functions fine. This situation is really quite different than a 1200, 1300 or an 870, where you are used to them being retained more into the mag.

If you would like to get it looked at, may I suggest Stu Wright. He is the Model 12 Guru that all the Trapshooters use. Call Stu and email him a link to the video. From what I see its normal.