bowman1962
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Can you take the shot?
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Maverick223
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Check the thread, before you "shoot".
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Shotgun.
The fact that this question is being asked makes me wonder about peoples judgement, no disrespect.
Firing a rifle in a direction where you can clearly see houses is idiotic.
know your target and whats behind it.
Also, regarding response of bullets disintegrating when hitting the ground are simply false. A primary consideration in safe range design and range use (from the NRA) is ground ricochets rising above the backstop. My club had our range evaulated by an NRA range inspector and one of the findings was the use of handguns on the rifle range at short distances was demonstrably and repeatedly yielding hits high in the berm. The same finding was true of shooting targets with high power rifles set in low stands.
In our case, the berm is like 85 feet high given the range is cut out of a hill, but it still unsafe practice and lead to range rule changes to try and eliminate ground ricochets.
The fact that this question is being asked makes me wonder about peoples judgement, no disrespect.
Firing a rifle in a direction where you can clearly see houses is idiotic.
know your target and whats behind it.
Also, regarding response of bullets disintegrating when hitting the ground are simply false. A primary consideration in safe range design and range use (from the NRA) is ground ricochets rising above the backstop. My club had our range evaulated by an NRA range inspector and one of the findings was the use of handguns on the rifle range at short distances was demonstrably and repeatedly yielding hits high in the berm. The same finding was true of shooting targets with high power rifles set in low stands.
In our case, the berm is like 85 feet high given the range is cut out of a hill, but it still unsafe practice and lead to range rule changes to try and eliminate ground ricochets.
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BCRider
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There's NO safe direction on this farm? Some direction that you could be sure doesn't have anything or anyone downrange for a good 45 angle to the shots? What about hunting from around the edge and only shooting inwards towards the field so you've got the entire field as open? Or where you planning on this in any event?
My first thought was a lower velocity 22. And possibly that frangible small game round that breaks up into three pieces when it hits something so at least the parts would break up and tumble and slow down faster. But some serious testing would be needed to determine a good 100% safe distance for any ricochets for these before you take up shooting them.
Same with a shotgun. I'd want to know that any ricochet pellets would not be able to travel more than 1/2 the distance to the houses or edge of the field since I'd want a good safety margin in case of that one special case.
I don't see air rifles being all that much better. If the pellet is moving at the same speed as a rifle or handgun bullet then all the same concerns about ricochets and safety are there to the same amount. You'd need to look at the maximum range of the pellet and any foreseeable ricochet distances and plan on a good safety margin for them to ensure that there's no way a pellet can leave the property even from a special case ricochet.
Dangerous or not if the folks in the surrounding houses hear anything even tap their windows or have any fragments of anything that "rains" onto them while out in the yard they are going to be rightfully ticked off even if it hasn't got any more force than a handful of sand being tossed at them.
It may well be that the best weapon for ridding the farmer of these critters is to get a new younger dog and let the old one teach it before it passes on.
At least you're being rightfully worried about this issue.
My first thought was a lower velocity 22. And possibly that frangible small game round that breaks up into three pieces when it hits something so at least the parts would break up and tumble and slow down faster. But some serious testing would be needed to determine a good 100% safe distance for any ricochets for these before you take up shooting them.
Same with a shotgun. I'd want to know that any ricochet pellets would not be able to travel more than 1/2 the distance to the houses or edge of the field since I'd want a good safety margin in case of that one special case.
I don't see air rifles being all that much better. If the pellet is moving at the same speed as a rifle or handgun bullet then all the same concerns about ricochets and safety are there to the same amount. You'd need to look at the maximum range of the pellet and any foreseeable ricochet distances and plan on a good safety margin for them to ensure that there's no way a pellet can leave the property even from a special case ricochet.
Dangerous or not if the folks in the surrounding houses hear anything even tap their windows or have any fragments of anything that "rains" onto them while out in the yard they are going to be rightfully ticked off even if it hasn't got any more force than a handful of sand being tossed at them.
It may well be that the best weapon for ridding the farmer of these critters is to get a new younger dog and let the old one teach it before it passes on.
At least you're being rightfully worried about this issue.
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Shotgun in this instance.
Well sounds like a good time to use a slingshot to me, or load up some of those Varmint Grenade bullets. Supposedly they completely disintegrate on impact. The video I saw on them showed them shooting like a grape and it completely disintegrated but i can guarantee you judging on the video it will take care of the problem.
Here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8
Here's the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8
Sebastian the Ibis
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"there is often a building or structure"
What kind of building or structure?
If it's a new subdivision and Suzy Soccermom is outside at a family picnic, 400 yds away. I would not point any firearm in that direction let alone fire it.
If on the other hand its an abandoned barn with a collapsed roof, that's a different story.
What kind of building or structure?
If it's a new subdivision and Suzy Soccermom is outside at a family picnic, 400 yds away. I would not point any firearm in that direction let alone fire it.
If on the other hand its an abandoned barn with a collapsed roof, that's a different story.
Maverick223
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Good point, and I am sure many others as well, assumed that it was a sub-division. What are the buildings, and what are they used for?
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