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Can you use LARGE RIFLE NATO PRIMERS 500 S&W

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GeoDude, you made a good point to check out the powder vendor info.

However the results shown puzzled me. Even though I consider H110 a less than optimal choice for most application (too finicky for my liking) it is widely used based on the availability of Hodgdon loads for just about all applications.

Just for kicks, I went in and tried the 275 gr and 325 gr bullets and found them both to have H110 loads. Also interesting is that both of these bullets have almost identical charge recommendations.

At first glance this just looks weird. Then I looked at the AOL. The heavier bullet is seated way out. This brings us back to the same critical piece of info that so many people choose to ignore. Seating depth is a key element of load performance.

Bottom line, if you are substituting a different brand bullet with H110, do not expect the load data to keep you safe unless you figure out how to keep the seating depth the same. For using the Hornady data it might be helpful to know that Quickload lists the length of that bullet as 0.946".
 
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KY DAN said:
H110/296 is not a reduced load powder, run it max charge or not at all.

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Loading at only maximum published data is not entirely correct.

Many respectiful sources have minimum and maximum loades for H110/W296 powder. The minimum published loads have been tested and are safe. But the components and loads used must match the data.

Some data sources publish only a maximum load and no minimum load. Several years ago, Winchester had some information recommending a starting load no less than 3% of the max published load. Unfortunately, I cannot find a link to this infomation.

If you cannont confirm the 3% reduction for a starting load with W296/H110, use the published data with the components specified.

As I said, I like W296/H110. I use it in a number of cartridges as well as .410 shotshells. As long as I follow the published data, I have no concern over the powder’s potential limitations.

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https://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?s=931c49a1a32c4e70f13f6e49c01ac6ff&t=270913&page=2

Post #12 on the attached CMP Forum page mentions that Hodgdon used to have a warning about not down loading W296/H110 below 3% of the max list charge.

But it also seems that the information about W296/H110 from the manufacturers and load testers is all over the place which does not help the reloader's comfort level.
 
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Be careful how fast you drive the Berrys plated bullets. With the 147 grain 9mm... I saw a dramatic increase in accuracy by going with an RMR FMJ... and this was only at 990 fps. Driving their plated pistol bullets too fast is a crap shoot at best. I believe they are SOFT lead wrapped in some copper plating... not hard cast.

Hornady even has two different JHP recommendations for the 50AE and 500 S&W... both in 300 grain.

As was said, H110 likes to be loaded fairly hot. I tried to load some subsonic 300BO with H110, and velocities were inconsistent until the charge got up to where they weren't subsonic anymore. Shooting Berrys plated bullets over a hot load of H110 in 500 S&W is going to be asking for problems. I think you'd need some Trail Boss??? or some similar powder, and just drive them at very low, plinking velocities. Else, pony up the money for some 500 S&W rated bullets. If you can find them, FMJ aren't THAT expensive, but the Hornady JHP... which are REALLY fun to shoot at milk jugs and 2L bottles are over $1 per bullet.

Good Luck!
 
In my opinion, friends don't let friends shoot Berry's or Exteme bullets supersonic. It's not jacketed. It's a thin, soft layer of copper coating. Look close at your targets - as the velocity goes up so does the spiral of lead streaming out of the bullet as it's flying. I see this when I (used to) load them in 10mm. This is just my own prudent opinion but I would not consider shooting these budget bullets in a 460SW or 500SW. Would you shoot soft lead from them without a gas check?
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
I kinda think maybe we need a new sticky, “So you’ve bought a SuperMagnum revolver. Now what?”
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Basically, Sh*t or get off the pot. lol
IF you could find Trail Boss powder, you could plink around with it using 'cowboy' rounds and cheap plated bullets.
You could make your own hard cast bullets and shoot them fairly warm.
OR....
You can pony up over $1 per bullet to fling 300 grain JHP Hornady. One part number for 50AE and another for 500 S&W.

There are part numbers for less expensive FMJ bullets, but they are a lot less fun to try and blow stuff up with... which is the very reason you own a gun like that! (I have a 50AE Desert Eagle... First edition, made in Israel. My brother bought it way back then, and I picked it up off him after he had to get an elbow replacement) I believe Speer has a slightly less expensive hollowpoint, but you'll never find them anywhere. I just buy the Hornady JHP and blow up milk jugs and 2L bottles on rare occasions... or let the kids do it. lol

If anyone has a line on less expensive hollowpoints, I'm all ears!
 
n2omike said:
Be careful how fast you drive the Berrys plated bullets. With the 147 grain 9mm... I saw a dramatic increase in accuracy by going with an RMR FMJ... and this was only at 990 fps. Driving their plated pistol bullets too fast is a crap shoot at best. I believe they are SOFT lead wrapped in some copper plating... not hard cast.

Hornady even has two different JHP recommendations for the 50AE and 500 S&W... both in 300 grain.

As was said, H110 likes to be loaded fairly hot. I tried to load some subsonic 300BO with H110, and velocities were inconsistent until the charge got up to where they weren't subsonic anymore. Shooting Berrys plated bullets over a hot load of H110 in 500 S&W is going to be asking for problems. I think you'd need some Trail Boss??? or some similar powder, and just drive them at very low, plinking velocities. Else, pony up the money for some 500 S&W rated bullets. If you can find them, FMJ aren't THAT expensive, but the Hornady JHP... which are REALLY fun to shoot at milk jugs and 2L bottles are over $1 per bullet.

Good Luck!
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There rated for 2k so even some of the hot loads they should be fine its just finding data and powder loads for it is very hard
 
n2omike said:
Basically, Sh*t or get off the pot. lol
IF you could find Trail Boss powder, you could plink around with it using 'cowboy' rounds and cheap plated bullets.
You could make your own hard cast bullets and shoot them fairly warm.
OR....
You can pony up over $1 per bullet to fling 300 grain JHP Hornady. One part number for 50AE and another for 500 S&W.

There are part numbers for less expensive FMJ bullets, but they are a lot less fun to try and blow stuff up with... which is the very reason you own a gun like that! (I have a 50AE Desert Eagle... First edition, made in Israel. My brother bought it way back then, and I picked it up off him after he had to get an elbow replacement) I believe Speer has a slightly less expensive hollowpoint, but you'll never find them anywhere. I just buy the Hornady JHP and blow up milk jugs and 2L bottles on rare occasions... or let the kids do it. lol

If anyone has a line on less expensive hollowpoints, I'm all ears!
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I also have a desert eagle a newer one but I use the 300 grain from berrys and work well. Since I already have them was wondering if they would also work for 500 with h110
 
SingleActionAndrew said:
In my opinion, friends don't let friends shoot Berry's or Exteme bullets supersonic. It's not jacketed. It's a thin, soft layer of copper coating. Look close at your targets - as the velocity goes up so does the spiral of lead streaming out of the bullet as it's flying. I see this when I (used to) load them in 10mm. This is just my own prudent opinion but I would not consider shooting these budget bullets in a 460SW or 500SW. Would you shoot soft lead from them without a gas check?
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Again there rated for 2k FPS only in the .50 caliber rounds. Berry says it themselves all the other ones are thin layers of copper but the .50 cals are quite thick I've already used them in my desert eagle and work well
 
That's what Berry's says, yes. And Microsoft says they write the best software. You have two threads where the consensus seems to be this isn't a great idea. When shooting a handgun with comparable power to a .308, a little prudence in safety, rather than cost of bullets, may be appropriate
 
The 50 AE runs 357 Mag pressures -- 36,000psi
The 500 S&W runs 60,000

Hodgdon's 500 S&W starting pressure for H100/W296 and a 350gr XTP is ~6,000psi more than the 50 AE's MAX, and starting velocity is > 1,700fps.
Stay away from anything approaching those figures w/ a plated -- even "thick-plated" -- bullet using those (that)powder.
 
MEHavey said:
The 50 AE runs 357 Mag pressures -- 36,000psi
The 500 S&W runs 60,000

Hodgdon's 500 S&W starting pressure for H100/W296 and a 350gr XTP is ~6,000psi more than the 50 AE's MAX, and starting velocity is > 1,700fps.
Stay away from anything approaching those figures w/ a plated -- even "thick-plated" -- bullet using those (that)powder.
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Alright, so the problem is the powder with this type of bullet. What powder would you recommend with a plated bullet
 
C4AJ said:
Alright, so the problem is the powder with this type of bullet. What powder would you recommend with a plated bullet
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Not necessarily.
Everyone... myself included... shared their experiences with Berrys plated pistol bullets, and the fact they don't do well much over the speed of sound, which is a little over 1,100 fps on average. Personally, I saw much better accuracy with a FMJ at only 990 fps in a 147 grain 9mm. We all lumped the .50 caliber stuff in the same bowl.

Berrys, for whatever reason rates the .50 caliber stuff at 2,000 fps, which is much higher than their other offerings. Are they HARD cast instead of soft lead? Who knows? Maybe you can call Berrys tomorrow and get their take. But, if I already had the bullets and an application for them, I would not hesitate to load them up and do some testing! Do it, and let us know how it goes!

Good Luck!
 
C4AJ said:
Alright, so the problem is the powder with this type of bullet. What powder would you recommend with a plated bullet
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Nope. That’s oversimplified. The load’s potentially flawed from several points: the bullet is not well designed for the rifling and will tend to want to spin itself out of round. A better bullet or lower velocity is called for. That’s bad for accuracy. The bullet lacks crimping groove. That means no roll crimp, neck tension alone will be holding the bullet in the case. If you can get good neck tension, enough to resist pulling under recoil, that problem is mitigated. The powder should be available and easy to download: Accurate No.11FS is roughly the same powder as W296/H110 but has additional flash suppression and stabilizers. Accurate 4100/Ramshot Enforcer are recommended powders for 300gr Rainier plated lead, which are about equivalent to Berry’s. No.2 and No.9 from Accurate are also options and both offers better flexibility.
You need to match components to the task. Trying to force things without clear testing results puts you in a bad place. But like me and a couple other folks said, go ahead with your original plan and let us know how it goes. Could be just fine.
 
n2omike said:
Basically, Sh*t or get off the pot. lol
IF you could find Trail Boss powder, you could plink around with it using 'cowboy' rounds and cheap plated bullets.
You could make your own hard cast bullets and shoot them fairly warm.
OR....
You can pony up over $1 per bullet to fling 300 grain JHP Hornady. One part number for 50AE and another for 500 S&W.

There are part numbers for less expensive FMJ bullets, but they are a lot less fun to try and blow stuff up with... which is the very reason you own a gun like that! (I have a 50AE Desert Eagle... First edition, made in Israel. My brother bought it way back then, and I picked it up off him after he had to get an elbow replacement) I believe Speer has a slightly less expensive hollowpoint, but you'll never find them anywhere. I just buy the Hornady JHP and blow up milk jugs and 2L bottles on rare occasions... or let the kids do it. lol

If anyone has a line on less expensive hollowpoints, I'm all ears!
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https://reloadingunlimited.com/product/hornady-bullets-500-sw-500-350gr-xtp-mag-50bx/
Has some xtp mag for .46 a round not too bad for Today prices
 
C4AJ said:
https://reloadingunlimited.com/product/hornady-bullets-500-sw-500-350gr-xtp-mag-50bx/
Has some xtp mag for .46 a round not too bad for Today prices
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No... If you read close, that's $45.99 for a box of only 50. lol
That's over $1 per bullet after tax and shipping.

I shoot mine sparingly, but it's fun to occasionally blow stuff up with! 2L bottles of generic soda from Dollar General are a favorite. Just don't stand too close, or you're going to get wet. :)

The bullets linked above are for the 500 S&W. The 50 AE bullets (like I use) are slightly less expensive at $43.52 per 50... but are out of stock. Same diameter, but different weight and construction for the two chamberings
https://reloadingunlimited.com/product/hornady-bullets-50-ae-500-300gr-xtphp-50bx/
 
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n2omike said:
No... If you read close, that's $45.99 for a box of only 50. lol
That's over $1 per bullet after tax and shipping.

I shoot mine sparingly, but it's fun to occasionally blow stuff up with! 2L bottles of generic soda from Dollar General are a favorite. Just don't stand too close, or you're going to get wet. :)

The bullets linked above are for the 500 S&W. The 50 AE bullets (like I use) are slightly less expensive at $43.52 per 50... but are out of stock. Same diameter, but different weight and construction for the two chamberings
https://reloadingunlimited.com/product/hornady-bullets-50-ae-500-300gr-xtphp-50bx/
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Hmm on ammo seek its show .46 cent for 100 rounds and once you click the link it dosen't actually say the amount. I know what gun it was for I thought you were looking for 500 mag. I use berrys 300 grain flat nose in my 50ae when I bought mine were .33 cent per bullet after ship taxs etc...
 
C4AJ said:
Hmm on ammo seek its show .46 cent for 100 rounds and once you click the link it dosen't actually say the amount. I know what gun it was for I thought you were looking for 500 mag. I use berrys 300 grain flat nose in my 50ae when I bought mine were .33 cent per bullet after ship taxs etc...
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Trust me... The Hornadys only come 50 to a box... and are around $1 per bullet. If I start shooting it more, I'll look into the Berrys. I've found Powder Valley is a good place to buy the Berrys products they stock. Often significantly cheaper than going to the Berrys site.
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C4AJ said:
Hmm on ammo seek its show .46 cent for 100 rounds and once you click the link it dosen't actually say the amount. I know what gun it was for I thought you were looking for 500 mag. I use berrys 300 grain flat nose in my 50ae when I bought mine were .33 cent per bullet after ship taxs etc...
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As to my previous reply about buying Berrys Bullets from their site or from Powder Valley...
In 500 S&W
350 grain 500 count:
$180.99 from the Berrys site
https://www.berrysmfg.com/product/bp-50-cal-500-350gr-rs

$139.95 from Powder Valley (but out of stock)
https://www.powdervalleyinc.com/product/berrys-500-50-sw-350-gr-rs-500/

For some reason, I don't see the 300 grain 50AE bullets on the Powder Valley site... but any Berrys bullets they sell are significantly cheaper than straight from Berrys. The 300 Blackout 220 grain are in stock and a lot less expensive.
 
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