Canada eliminates gun registration fees

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Canada to eliminate registration fees on firearms
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AP WorldStream English (all) via NewsEdge Corporation : TORONTO_The Canadian government announced measures Thursday to revamp a national gun registration system bogged down by cost overruns of hundreds of millions of dollars.

Canada will continue to require universal licensing of gun owners and firearms, but fees for the registration and transfer of firearms were eliminated and government spending on the registry will be capped at US$18 million (C$25 million) per year, Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan announced in the western city of Edmonton, Alberta.

McLellan said the government will also propose key criminal code amendments to toughen gun crime provisions and increase penalties for weapons trafficking.

Canada currently spends US$23.7 million (C$33 million) a year on the registry.

The registry was originally budgeted to cost US$1.44 million (C$2 million) a year when it was introduced in 1995 to help stem gun violence.

The Canadian government initially planned to recover almost all of the registry's US$88 million (C$119 million) projected cost through registration fees, leaving only US$1.44 million (C$2 million) to be covered by taxpayers.

But costs spiraled and led to Auditor General Sheila Fraser estimating an "astronomical cost overrun" of about US$720 million (C$1 billion) by 2005.

There have been 1.97 million firearms licenses issued for 6.8 million firearms so far under the current legislation, according to the Canadian Firearms Center, the government department overseeing the program.

A 1996 Canadian government study found that 22 percent of Canadian households possessed at least one firearm, while the rate was 48.6 percent in the United States. Only 0.42 percent of Canadians said they had been the victims of an attack with a gun in the previous five years, while the amount was 2 percent in the United States, the highest of any in the eight-country study.

Beside the cost issue, opponents have also called the law an unnecessary infringement of private property rights. Others have said it is contrary to the rural lifestyle where guns are seen as an everyday tool.

The law has even seen a legal challenge from the northern territory of Nunavut, where the Inuit charge it violates the Nunavut land claim.

But police groups and anti-violence activists say gun registration is an important information-gathering tool. .end (paragraph)<<AP WorldStream English (all) -- 05/20/04>>
 
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Canadian Government To Eliminate Transfer, Registration Fees On Firearms

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Bob Weber


EDMONTON (CP) -- Ottawa took aim at its troubled gun registry Thursday by eliminating fees, toughening penalties and enforcement for gun crimes and capping the registry's annual cost to taxpayers at $25 million.

However, gun registration will remain mandatory and non-compliance will remain in the Criminal Code.

"Canadians have told us in no uncertain terms that they want us to get tough on gun crime and enhance the capacity of law enforcement agencies to address gun crime and smuggling,'' said Deputy Prime Minister Anne McLellan, who is also public security minister.

"We are equally determined to make it easier for firearms owners and firearms-related businesses to comply with the Canada firearms program.''

Firearms registration has never been universally popular. But opposition took off like a bullet after "astronomical cost overruns'' of about $1 billion by 2005 were reported by Auditor General Sheila Fraser.

Originally, most of the $119-million projected cost was to be recovered through registration fees, leaving only $2 million to be covered by taxpayers.

Reg Alcock, president of the Treasury Board, acknowledged those concerns Thursday.

"This thing got away from us,'' he said. "We tried to rein it in and we were not successful.''

Alcock said any increase to the registry's $25-million appropriation would have to be approved by Parliament. Prime Minister Paul Martin has indicated that would be a free vote, said Alcock.

"We're putting it squarely in the public view.''

The total budget of the Canadian Firearms Centre, which also includes licensing and education programs, is forecast at $85 million.

The program now costs $103 million to run.

Despite dropping the current $25 registration and transfer fee, forgoing about $6 million a year, the centre is still expected to bring in $25 million in revenue from other programs.

McLellan also said the government will spend an extra $10 million a year for the next five years to help police track illegal guns and fight gun smuggling.

As well, Ottawa will begin talks with provincial justice officials to double the minimum sentences to two years for carrying a loaded handgun in a public place as well as weapons trafficking or possession for the purpose of trafficking.

The process for registering a gun will also be streamlined, McLellan said.

Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control called McLellan's reforms balanced.

"It responds to many of the concerns raised by police for measures which get tough on guns, but at the same time it preserves the integrity of the controls over legal guns,'' she said.

Alberta Justice Minister Dave Hancock also welcomed the increased emphasis on gun crimes. But he maintained the registry should still be dropped and he criticized the reforms for leaving non-compliance with the registry within the Criminal Code.

"If they wanted to take even a small step they could have taken the registry offences out of the Criminal Code. They failed to do that.''

Prosecutors have always used discretion on how to deal with owners of unregistered guns. A conviction for that offence won't show up in the national police data bank, but a record will remain in the court system and could show up in a customs check.

McLellan said when guns are involved in incidents of domestic violence, judges will be required to explain why defendants shouldn't be placed under at least a temporary firearms ban.

The reforms also promise closer consultation with aboriginals about more effective delivery of the program in their communities.

Martin ordered a review of the federal registry after he was sworn into office in December.

A federal election call is expected on the weekend, but McLellan brushed off suggestions that reforms to the much-criticized registry were attempts to curry favour with voters.

"It's not about gaining favour; it's about good public policy,'' she said. "It's about a very strong commitment to public safety.''

Opposition Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has said his party would eliminate the registry entirely.

The registry was introduced by then-justice minister Allan Rock in 1995 to help stem gun violence.
 
A federal election call is expected on the weekend, but McLellan brushed off suggestions that reforms to the much-criticized registry were attempts to curry favour with voters.

"It's not about gaining favour; it's about good public policy,'' she said. "It's about a very strong commitment to public safety.''

I see that Canadian politicians are bald-faced liars, just like U.S. politicians.
 
Gee, that's big of them to not make people PAY to be registered so that they can eventually take their guns...

Canada is just scary in it's politics in this regard...
 
It would seem they are saying "Now, since it's free, you have no reason not to register your guns." Now you can tell them who to contact and where to get them when it's time for a "Gun Wrangling", but at least they aren't going to charge you to give them that information. How nice of them!

I don't think it's a move in the right direction, I think it's an effort to swindle people out of information that will eventually lead to the confiscation of their guns.
 
But police groups and anti-violence activists say gun registration is an important information-gathering tool.

Yah, information gathering, that's it, information gathering.:scrutiny: :rolleyes:
 
This is backfiring on the Liberals BIG-TIME :D ; they thought it would make people think "OK, that issue's over with", but all it's done is make them ask "Hey, what did we just blow 2 BILLION dollars on?" With any luck, we can finally get rid of these parasites. (If you think Democrats are slime, you haven't seen a Liberal yet.)
 
Well, it makes perfect (government) sense.

The program is in the red, cost are going up, so they cut the fees charged to participants. That should encourage more people to register their guns, which costs the .gov more money.

I are a government koledge gradyouate.:what:
 
I have successfully resisted the temptation to go hunting in Canada, saying, "The fee I'd pay would help finance Canada's attack on human rights."

I'm not sure I'll go now that they've lifted the fee -- maybe I'll wait and see if they completely come to their senses.
 
I see that Canadian politicians are bald-faced liars, just like U.S. politicians.

Hmm, all of them?

Alberta Justice Minister Dave Hancock also welcomed the increased emphasis on gun crimes. But he maintained the registry should still be dropped and he criticized the reforms for leaving non-compliance with the registry within the Criminal Code.
 
Taken by itself, the elimination of the registry fees might make me go :uhoh: but that in addition to the criminal codes makes me believe they might be taking a step in the right direction. Maybe some smart politician will, a few months from now, say "Okay, the registry's getting too expensive and we're locking up all the thugs. Can we scrap it now?"
 
Well, they'll just have to raise taxes on everyone in order to pay for their boondoggle. Of course, just scrapping the program altogether isn't an option...
 
Why don't we try this -- all American gun owners enter Canada with ONE gun, do a U-turn, come back and register ANOTHER gun, come back . . .

and drown then in free registrations! :D
 
I read the notification issued by the Canadian Firearms Centre. The fee wavier is only for businesses. Transfers between private individuals don't appear in be included ...
 
We're expecting an election call on Sunday. This is a lame attempt by the Socialist, rat, offspring of unmarried parents, Liberals to get votes from the rural population. They've already started a smear campaign against the leader of the Conservative Party. They even made a web page that uses comments by the guy, likely out of context, to make him look like he's a bigot. No mention of the absolute lies that have been told by our former and current PM or about the wide spread corruption or the fact that the former PM assaulted a protestor on camera, but the RCMP said there wasn't enough evidence of a crime and failing to shut down an illegal lobby group.
There's lots of info on the Politics and Propaganda forum at http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/
It is, however, a dropping of all fees for the registry. Not just businesses. Not registering you firearms is still a criminal offence though.
 
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