Canada: "Vote against gun registry at own risk, PM warns MPs"

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http://www.nationalpost.com/national/story.html?id=8AB354C1-DA6A-47EE-9023-EC8B78ACB77A

Vote against gun registry at own risk, PM warns MPs

$59M spending request: Chrétien threatens to expel MPs who oppose funding

Bill Curry
National Post, with files from The Canadian Press

Thursday, March 20, 2003
OTTAWA - Jean Chrétien warned Liberal MPs yesterday they could be expelled from caucus if they vote against a bill next week that would give another $59-million to the controversial national firearms program.

In the weekly closed-door caucus meeting, the Prime Minister told MPs he considers the vote a matter of confidence in his government, meaning a loss could trigger a federal election.

Mr. Chrétien did not spell out specific consequences for those who vote against the government, but Liberal Whip Marlene Catterall told reporters such MPs could be kicked out of caucus.

"I think that when Canadians elect a Liberal government, they expect us to fulfill the policies on which we ran, and that means that those people who ran on those policies and supported the gun registry in two elections are expected to support it," she said.

One Liberal MP also said officials from the Prime Minister's Office reminded some dissidents an MP who is kicked out of caucus will not be able to run as a Liberal if there is a snap election.

In December, MPs unanimously rejected a $72-million request for the program. The government had said that vote would be a matter of confidence, but changed its mind before the vote.

Some Liberal MPs criticized the Prime Minister yesterday for making the new vote a matter of confidence, arguing it reinforces the notion MPs are only "rubber stamps" unable to influence the workings of government.

Dan McTeague, an outspoken Liberal MP who supports the gun registry, nonetheless disagreed with the government's expulsion threat.

"We know that there has been that heavy hand used in the past. I know there's a lot of people in my region in Toronto who are still miffed at the expulsion of [John] Nunziata," he said. "It's nice to say we campaigned on these things once, twice, three times ... but I don't think this will leave a very good taste in the mouths of Canadians if they know their Members of Parliament are subjected to that kind of response."

The expulsion of long-time Liberal MP John Nunziata in 1997 for voting against the government over the GST is the only occasion when Mr. Chrétien has used his power to kick an MP out of his caucus for opposing the government. Over the past year, dozens of Liberal MPs have voted against the government without consequence.

Central Ontario MP Paul Steckle said he will vote against the government on Tuesday, but expressed frustration with the way the government is interpreting the backbench dissent. Mr. Steckle argued his vote will be a show of non-confidence in Martin Cauchon, the Justice Minister, for mishandling the file, not in the Liberal government. Mr. Steckle also predicted his Liberal colleagues are in for a rough ride at home should they approve the $59-million request.

"Obviously when you're among your family of colleagues it's pretty easy to stand together, but it's when you have to go back home and face the electorate on a one-to-one basis and when you get called to a meeting where there's maybe 400 people and they take a different view than you do, it's pretty hard to win elections when the people are against you in a crowd like that," he said.

Following yesterday's caucus meeting, Mr. Cauchon held an open briefing for Liberal MPs on improvements the government is making to the program. The meeting won over some MPs, including Julian Reed of Halton, Ont., who was one of the six MPs who met this week with Wayne Easter, the Solicitor-General, to express concerns with the program.

"I feel that gun control is still valid and that we should forge ahead and make it work," Mr. Reed said. "We can correct the deficiencies, I think."

Northern Ontario MP Ben Serré, who has opposed the gun registry since it was proposed in 1995, said the program will go ahead and his colleagues will approve the funding request on Tuesday.

"I would suspect a few [MPs] will be absent, a few will vote against and the bill will be passed," he said. "I'm still against it. I still think it's a billion-dollar boondoggle. The policy of gun control per se is not wrong, but we had the wrong approach, we had the wrong people running it and the registry itself is a non-starter. It's not going to accomplish anything."

The showdown came after a half-dozen dissidents circulated a letter this week urging their colleagues to challenge the "moral bankruptcy and failure of the Minister of Justice" by voting against the spending request.

The letter was signed by MPs Roger Gallaway and Joe Comuzzi of Ontario and John Efford and Lawrence O'Brien of Newfoundland. They were joined by Senators Anne Cools and Herb Sparrow.

None of the six spoke up at yesterday's meeting, colleagues said.

But two others who did not sign the letter -- Mr. Steckle and his fellow Ontario MP Rose-Marie Ur -- took the floor to voice passionate opposition to continued funding for the registry.

The registry has been under attack since December, when Sheila Fraser, the Auditor-General, delivered a damning report on cost overruns in the program.

She estimated it will end up costing taxpayers $1-billion by the time it concludes its first decade in operation in 2005. The original estimate when the registry was established in 1995 was $2-million.

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from the Canoe site

http://www.canoe.ca/EdmontonNews/es.es-03-20-0045.html

PM faces gun-law revolt

By SUN OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA -- The Chretien government could face another showdown with backbench Grits fed up with what they call "intimidation tactics" by the PM.

Six MPs, led by Sarnia-Lambton's Roger Gallaway, are urging their colleagues to vote against two separate requests for an additional $172 million for the beleaguered gun registry program.

The first request for more than $59 million and contained in supplementary estimates, will come to a Commons vote Tuesday.

Sources tell Sun Media Jean Chretien stressed in the weekly Grit caucus yesterday that the government is committed to the registry program, which has already cost taxpayers $1 billion. He said a defeat would destabilize the government because any vote on a money matter is considered "confidence" and could trigger an election.

The PM withdrew a request for an additional $72 million last December, fearing he didn't have the necessary votes to win.

An aide told Sun Media yesterday that if the latest requests for money were turned down it would "kill" the gun registry initiative.

Copyright © 2003, CANOE, a division of Netgraphe Inc.
 
I suspect someone's shoes are beginning to pinch. If this is true
In the weekly closed-door caucus meeting, the Prime Minister told MPs he considers the vote a matter of confidence in his government, meaning a loss could trigger a federal election
the opposition to the registration program is much stronger than anyone thought. It also means the Liberal party made a huge miscalculation.

Good news all around.
 
Yup. That's my main man, Chretien. Real scrapper he is. I thought that the world revolved around Ottawa, until the missiles started hitting Baghdad. Yup, my man Chretien. Flip Flop on an issue and wait and see which way the political winds blow, then take a stand. I am not sure that his present stance on Iraq is very bright, cuz it will screw the rest of Canada, like always. His taking an actual stand and saying NO to joining the "Coalition of the Willing"(really means"You Better join or we'll Starve your Country to Death Coalition in non-USA lingo) could really hurt Canada. Yup, my man Chretien. Wants to take away my guns eventually, but not before taxing them multiple times, then jacking up the price of ownership every year until he's physically squeezed all the life out of ya. He won't be taking mine. Oh well, it's no worse than MP Sven (The Huge Flamer) Robinson, who proclaimed today that when Bush shouldn't be allowed to visit Chretien in March, because Bush is commiting war crimes against Iraq, and that Canada shouldn't have allies or be friends with War Criminals. Pretty funny huh? Oh the bitter irony. Sorry that this homo represents part of the government of Canada, because the rest of us here don't dislike the States enough to warrant that outburst. ;)
 
Umm, aren't the MPs elected? Maybe they could do themselves more good by doing the right thing and telling the createn to take a hike than by towing the party line. :scrutiny:
 
A serious question from one who doesn't follow Canadian politics:

If there is a "no confidence" vote and the government must call for elections, what's the situation up there? Are those on deck for the PM's job any better or worse for Canadians and US-Canadian relations?
 
Airwolf ...

You've nailed it. The 'deck' is bare. Perhaps after the Iraq mop-up y'all could send a couple of any leftover Tomahawks into Ottawa. Strike while you're on a roll and take out two dictatorships simultaneously. We Albertians could use a little liberatin' too ya-know ...

PS: (Don't sweat it if the shots go high and right. No-one would mind if we lost Quebec in the process.)
 
Airwolf, the real problem isn't that Chretien would have to call an election (he knows the sheep in Toronto and Montreal will still vote Liberal, and they have a majority of the population), it's that MPs who want to run for office have to have their nomination papers signed by the party leader (Chretien); if they don't vote the way he wants, then he won't let them run again. And, since our system is set up along strictly "party" lines, they know they wouldn't get re-elected as independents, either. Democracy? Not in Canada.
 
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