Can't get Wilson Combat extractor into Rock Island 1911 Govt

[boofus]

It seems the RIA gun uses a smaller extractor or something. The hole in the back of the slide is too small for me to even fit the Wilson Combat part in there. For a simple extractor change is it normal to have to grind metal to make stuff fit?

Or does the RIA gun just use non-standard sized parts? The extractor I got was a Wilson series 70 bullet proof. I'm thinking of selling this gun at the next show for $200 if it uses non standard parts.

 

[M2 Carbine]

RIA's quality control isn't the greatest.
Many of my magazines won't fit in my RIA.
I've had to replace the recoil and trigger springs because they were poorly made.
The whole inside of the barrel is very rough with deep tool marks.

With the Creiner 22 conversion installed the thumb safety won't move to ON.

I'm not surprised a standard extractor won't fit.


Even with all it's problems the RIA still shoots pretty good.

 

[1911Tuner]

Too Big?

Howdy boofus,

If the extractor has a little too much bend in it, it'll be hard to get into place. Turn it around and try to slip it in the hole butt first. Make sure to orient it correctly. If it'll go in, it should be the right size. If you've put a little bend in it, try straightening it a little and try it again.

Standin' by...

Tuner

 

[boofus]

The long shaft part of the extractor goes in fine but the butt end where the firing pin stop fits is too large. The diameter is larger than the hole on the end of the slide. So it just stops there and I thought about trying to bash it in with a mallet but decided it didn't look like it would fit.

The long shaft end on the Wilson is also about 50% thicker than the stock RIA one, but it goes into the hole just fine. It's just the end piece that is too big.

 

[1911Tuner]

Too Big?

Gotcha. That's odd...

Check your PMs

 

[horge]

You're already in conference with Johnny, but anyway...

I've read other threads (perhaps elsewhere) complaining about the fat end of a Wilson (Bulletproof) extractor not going in. Furthermore, the rear was too long for their RIAs. Same problem lengthwise fitting Colt's extractors.

Some responses on those threads were 'to keep in mind that a lot of "drop-in" parts aren't really just "drop in', and needed coaxing. Some wondered aloud if Wilson and other manufacturers didn't merely leave a little extra length to account for different slides


and then sometimes the owner would report back that minor (but careful) filing-down got the job done.

 

[John Forsyth]

I have never had any problems with a WC extractor fitting into a properly machined slide. With that said, I am talking about Colt, Kimber and Springfield slides, not RIA's or CD's. I am not surprised it does not fit. You get what you pay for.

 

[horge]

Originally posted by John Forsyth
I have never had any problems with a WC extractor fitting into a properly machined slide. With that said, I am talking about Colt, Kimber and Springfield slides, not RIA's or CD's.

Thanks for your valued input, good sir!
I was wondering about that.

I am not surprised it does not fit. You get what you pay for.

Yep.
Sure starting to look like it in this case.

Bummer.

 

[pauli]

nah. y'all are looking at this wrong.

if you take that extractor and drop it into a kimber or what have you, you've got a drop in extractor. ho hum.

if you make it work in the rock island, you've got a custom fitted extractor. it's just that more tactical.

 

[horge]

 

[BluesBear]

As humorous as it was pauli has a point. Until you try your new extractor in a different slide, you don't know if it's too big or your slide is too small.

If every part could be machined to be exact then there would truely be "drop in" parts. A softball is a drop fit in a gallon bucket but that don't mean either the bucket or ball is the right size of not. It just means they don't quite match.

If the majority of the tolerances in newer manufactued guns are a little on the loose side then replacement parts will need to be made a little on the large side to be a better fit.

Remember it's a lot easier to remove a few thousandths of an inch than it is to add it.

 

[boofus]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I decided to just ditch the gun on Gunbroker and use the money towards something else. Maybe a used Sig P220. All my German guns have done me good. No sense in throwing in more money to try to polish a turd. With the money I spent on replacing doodads on that Rock Island I could have gotten a low end Springfield

I learned my lesson here, don't cheap out on guns.

 

[mpthole]

Just curious, did the original extractor break or malfunction? Or where you upgrading for the sake of upgrading?

 

[boofus]

The gun kept having failures to feed. The round would jump in front of the extractor instead of sliding under it. Then the slide wouldn't go into battery cause the shell wasn't being held by the extractor.

I figured changing the extractor might fix the problem.

 

[BluesBear]

The round would jump in front of the extractor instead of sliding under it.

Did you try more than one magazine in it? Or a different brand of magazine?

Did it also do this if you slowly hand cycled it?
Did it happen every time or just the first or last round in the magazine?

Would it feed fine with no extractor at all?

 

[boofus]

Yes I tried the factory mag, some new Chip McCormicks and a Wilson Combat and it did the same thing in all of them. If I cycled it slowly it was even worse. Practically every round would jump in front of the extractor. When live firing it would jam up usually on the last round, but sometimes it'd do it in the middle of a mag. It's really a moot point, I sold the bloody thing on Gunbroker.

Gonna take the money and get a Sig P220 I think.