lilguy
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I just took the training for UTAH/FLORIDA and would appreciate opinions
on which application to send in. Thanks
on which application to send in. Thanks
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hirundo82
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Where do you live, and do you have your home state permit?
The states which recognize the two permits are pretty much the same, but if you can't get a permit from your home state you won't be able to renew a Utah permit after January 1, 2012.
The states which recognize the two permits are pretty much the same, but if you can't get a permit from your home state you won't be able to renew a Utah permit after January 1, 2012.
lilguy
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What is happening with UTAH in 2012? I'm in Illinois, we are one of 2 states that do not allow CCW.
CoRoMo
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From a quick search...
If this is true, get the Utah permit.
If this is true, get the Florida permit.
hirundo82
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lilguy said:
There's been a change with Utah permits, but it apparently doesn't apply to you.
Utah SB 36 passed both houses of the Utah legislature and is on its way to the governor.
It requires residents of states that recognize the Utah permit to submit a copy of their permit from their state of residence as a condition of obtaining a Utah permit.
I was unaware of the language limiting the law to states that honor the Utah permit--it has been talked about here in Texas due to instructors advertising the Utah permit as an alternative to the Texas permit.
Since there won't be an issue for you with renewing the permit, I'd go with the Utah permit if it is cheaper.
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I think this is a fix/compromise to the other states that honored the Utah NR permit and didn't have such a great reciprocity list as UT did resulting in people bypassing their home state permit.
I'd only be speculating but I bet UT. got some flak from other states to change their regulations so home states would get the permit revenue.
I'd only be speculating but I bet UT. got some flak from other states to change their regulations so home states would get the permit revenue.
hirundo82
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X-Rap said:
I think it is more that states were starting to stop recognizing Utah permits, whether for revenue purposes or other reasons, because out-of-state instructors were advertising the Utah permit as an alternative to a resident permit. The Utah legislature acted to protect reciprocity for their residents, who are their first priority.
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Whatever the reason it fixes both problems, I know before CO passed its law many residents just used the UT. NR permit. The UT/FL popularity is starting to wane in many states since they are catching up on reciprocity, for me I just want CO and MN to get together and I will have all the states I ever visit.
yes INSTRUCTORS complained about losing business mostly from Texas ....
which lead to the start of bills to stop recognizing and being reciprocal .....
so to combat this UT simply passed a bill that says if ur home state is a SHALL issue state then u have to get ur home state's permit first...
**o yea btw the federal school safe zone law only allows exemption for ppl with permits from that state....
so if ur permit is from UT and u get stopped within 1000 ft of a school in say texas u violated the law.....
stupid but true...
which lead to the start of bills to stop recognizing and being reciprocal .....
so to combat this UT simply passed a bill that says if ur home state is a SHALL issue state then u have to get ur home state's permit first...
**o yea btw the federal school safe zone law only allows exemption for ppl with permits from that state....
so if ur permit is from UT and u get stopped within 1000 ft of a school in say texas u violated the law.....
stupid but true...
lilguy
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So I live in Illinois which does not recognize any right to carry for civilians. This means I can get and renew the UTAH lic after 1/1/2012?
Here is some net info.
Utah gun-permit bill wins final OK
By lee davidson
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Feb 14 2011 11:41AM
Updated Feb 15, 2011 09:23AM
The Legislature gave final approval Monday to a bill that would require out-of-state gun owners who seek a Utah concealed-weapon permit to first obtain a permit from their home states, if available.
The Senate voted 25-0 to accept earlier House amendments to SB36 and sent it to Gov. Gary Herbert. The House changes make it clear that out-of-state residents could apply immediately for a Utah permit if their home state does not recognize Utah’s.
Sen. John Valentine, R-Orem, the bill’s sponsor, has said the Utah permit is popular because it is recognized by 33 other states — the most of any state permit — so owners can carry guns in most places nationally with that one certificate.
But he said states such as Nevada and New Mexico recently stopped recognizing Utah permits. Valentine said they worry that Utah permits do not require any measure of shooting proficiency. But he added the states appear upset that their own residents often apply only for a Utah license without also obtaining a local one.
Valentine said the bill would give states control over their own residents, help ensure that Utah permits are recognized by potentially jealous states, and help Utahns by ensuring their permits will be recognized more widely.
Copyright 2011 The Salt Lake Tribune. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Utah State Lawmakers Jumping the Gun on our Concealed Carry Laws
cz75SB 36, Concealed Firearm Act Amendments, sponsored by Senator John Valentine just left the judiciary committee with a favorable recommendation and is now heading to the Senate floor. In reviewing the bill, the important changes to Utah Concealed Carry law are as follows:
(4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed
firearm permit under this section, a nonresident applicant shall:
(i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the
appropriate permitting authority of the nonresident applicant’s state of residency that recognizes
the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has reciprocity with Utah’s concealed firearm
permit law; and
(ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant’s current
concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit referred to in Subsection (4)(a)(i).
(b) A nonresident applicant who knowingly and willfully provides false information to
the bureau under Subsection (4)(a) is prohibited from holding a Utah concealed firearm permit
for a period of 10 years.
(c) Beginning January 1, 2012, Subsection (4)(a) also applies to an application for
renewal of a concealed firearm permit by a nonresident.
(9) (a) An applicant for certification as a Utah concealed firearms instructor shall:
(v) possess a Utah concealed firearm permit.
(emphasis mine) Let’s sum up the bolded changes to take a look at what we’re talking about here:
A Utah nonresident applicant for a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit must hold a current concealed firearm permit issued by the state they reside in AND that state must recognize or have reciprocity with Utah’s concealed firearm permit. As of Jan 1, 2012 this will apply to all renewals as well. Furthermore, the instructor certifying them must possess a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit.
This all sounds pretty dandy at first pass but starts to look pretty undesirable upon serious analysis. First, let’s lay some groundwork. The Utah Concealed Firearms Permit is highly coveted by non-Utah residents - and for a good reason. It is cheap, fairly easy to get, recognized in 33 states and you don’t have to be a resident or visit Utah to get a license. All you have to do is take a course from a licensed instructor - who currently does not have to be resident of Utah or have a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit - just the Instructors License. In fact last year 72% of the applicants for the Utah Concealed Firearm License were non-Utah residents!
Utah has become very well known as a bastion for Firearms Liberty and has attracted interest by Gun Owners from all over the country due to our favorable laws. In fact, the two most popular Concealed Carry Licenses in the country are Utah and Florida - who also has a very easy to get license.
Unfortunately, last year both Nevada and New Mexico dropped recognition of our License because there is no Shooting competency required to attain the permit. I agree with both of these states in saying that we need shooting competency demonstrated to qualify for our license. I think it’s a bit silly that we issue these licenses (which I personally find unconstitutional) and don’t require the recipient to demonstrate their capability to properly use a firearm. So what does all this have to do with the changes to our CFP laws? Well, nothing really, because Senator Valentine just kind of made up his own reasons:
“I found it somewhat of a ruse on the part of our sister states,” he told the Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee. “The real problem was they wanted to be able to license their own citizens.” … To keep more states from jumping ship, Valentine is sponsoring SB36, which would require nonresidents to be licensed in their home states first.
So because Senator Valentine decided it was a “ruse” for money, he’s decided we need to change our laws - without any real consideration of the consequences to those non-Utah residents who value their Utah Concealed Firearm Permit. Not to mention he’s completely ignoring what they actually said. But, let’s take a look at the potential consequences of what he’s proposing.
Suppose you’re a resident of what is known as a ‘may issue’ state such as California, where it is nearly impossible to get a Concealed Firearm Permit unless you can prove a ‘need’ for it. Or, suppose you’re a resident of the 28 states that do not formally recognize the Utah Concealed Firearms Permit. If you cared about being able to carry your firearm concealed you would likely have either a Utah or Florida Concealed Permit - and likely have for quite some time.
Under this new change to the law, you will eventually lose your Utah License all together. If you don’t already have a license and you are unfortunate enough to live in one of those states, you will not be able to get one at all. That is the sentence that Senator Valentine is in the process of passing on all those individuals to whom we exported our strong commitment to reasonable gun laws.
So what options are the residents of almost half the States in the Union left with? They’ll all go get a Florida Concealed Carry Permit - that’s what. Nice work Senator! How about we just change the law to fix the problem that was readily identified instead of making stuff up? Require a demonstration of Shooting Competency to get a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit.
Utah CFP reciprocity map
Note: The author of this article is both a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit hold and Instructor. He is also a resident of Utah but wouldn’t want to have to give up his license if he moved to California!
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Here is some net info.
Utah gun-permit bill wins final OK
By lee davidson
The Salt Lake Tribune
First published Feb 14 2011 11:41AM
Updated Feb 15, 2011 09:23AM
The Legislature gave final approval Monday to a bill that would require out-of-state gun owners who seek a Utah concealed-weapon permit to first obtain a permit from their home states, if available.
The Senate voted 25-0 to accept earlier House amendments to SB36 and sent it to Gov. Gary Herbert. The House changes make it clear that out-of-state residents could apply immediately for a Utah permit if their home state does not recognize Utah’s.
Sen. John Valentine, R-Orem, the bill’s sponsor, has said the Utah permit is popular because it is recognized by 33 other states — the most of any state permit — so owners can carry guns in most places nationally with that one certificate.
But he said states such as Nevada and New Mexico recently stopped recognizing Utah permits. Valentine said they worry that Utah permits do not require any measure of shooting proficiency. But he added the states appear upset that their own residents often apply only for a Utah license without also obtaining a local one.
Valentine said the bill would give states control over their own residents, help ensure that Utah permits are recognized by potentially jealous states, and help Utahns by ensuring their permits will be recognized more widely.
Copyright 2011 The Salt Lake Tribune. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Utah State Lawmakers Jumping the Gun on our Concealed Carry Laws
cz75SB 36, Concealed Firearm Act Amendments, sponsored by Senator John Valentine just left the judiciary committee with a favorable recommendation and is now heading to the Senate floor. In reviewing the bill, the important changes to Utah Concealed Carry law are as follows:
(4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed
firearm permit under this section, a nonresident applicant shall:
(i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the
appropriate permitting authority of the nonresident applicant’s state of residency that recognizes
the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has reciprocity with Utah’s concealed firearm
permit law; and
(ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant’s current
concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit referred to in Subsection (4)(a)(i).
(b) A nonresident applicant who knowingly and willfully provides false information to
the bureau under Subsection (4)(a) is prohibited from holding a Utah concealed firearm permit
for a period of 10 years.
(c) Beginning January 1, 2012, Subsection (4)(a) also applies to an application for
renewal of a concealed firearm permit by a nonresident.
(9) (a) An applicant for certification as a Utah concealed firearms instructor shall:
(v) possess a Utah concealed firearm permit.
(emphasis mine) Let’s sum up the bolded changes to take a look at what we’re talking about here:
A Utah nonresident applicant for a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit must hold a current concealed firearm permit issued by the state they reside in AND that state must recognize or have reciprocity with Utah’s concealed firearm permit. As of Jan 1, 2012 this will apply to all renewals as well. Furthermore, the instructor certifying them must possess a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit.
This all sounds pretty dandy at first pass but starts to look pretty undesirable upon serious analysis. First, let’s lay some groundwork. The Utah Concealed Firearms Permit is highly coveted by non-Utah residents - and for a good reason. It is cheap, fairly easy to get, recognized in 33 states and you don’t have to be a resident or visit Utah to get a license. All you have to do is take a course from a licensed instructor - who currently does not have to be resident of Utah or have a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit - just the Instructors License. In fact last year 72% of the applicants for the Utah Concealed Firearm License were non-Utah residents!
Utah has become very well known as a bastion for Firearms Liberty and has attracted interest by Gun Owners from all over the country due to our favorable laws. In fact, the two most popular Concealed Carry Licenses in the country are Utah and Florida - who also has a very easy to get license.
Unfortunately, last year both Nevada and New Mexico dropped recognition of our License because there is no Shooting competency required to attain the permit. I agree with both of these states in saying that we need shooting competency demonstrated to qualify for our license. I think it’s a bit silly that we issue these licenses (which I personally find unconstitutional) and don’t require the recipient to demonstrate their capability to properly use a firearm. So what does all this have to do with the changes to our CFP laws? Well, nothing really, because Senator Valentine just kind of made up his own reasons:
“I found it somewhat of a ruse on the part of our sister states,” he told the Senate Judiciary, Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice Committee. “The real problem was they wanted to be able to license their own citizens.” … To keep more states from jumping ship, Valentine is sponsoring SB36, which would require nonresidents to be licensed in their home states first.
So because Senator Valentine decided it was a “ruse” for money, he’s decided we need to change our laws - without any real consideration of the consequences to those non-Utah residents who value their Utah Concealed Firearm Permit. Not to mention he’s completely ignoring what they actually said. But, let’s take a look at the potential consequences of what he’s proposing.
Suppose you’re a resident of what is known as a ‘may issue’ state such as California, where it is nearly impossible to get a Concealed Firearm Permit unless you can prove a ‘need’ for it. Or, suppose you’re a resident of the 28 states that do not formally recognize the Utah Concealed Firearms Permit. If you cared about being able to carry your firearm concealed you would likely have either a Utah or Florida Concealed Permit - and likely have for quite some time.
Under this new change to the law, you will eventually lose your Utah License all together. If you don’t already have a license and you are unfortunate enough to live in one of those states, you will not be able to get one at all. That is the sentence that Senator Valentine is in the process of passing on all those individuals to whom we exported our strong commitment to reasonable gun laws.
So what options are the residents of almost half the States in the Union left with? They’ll all go get a Florida Concealed Carry Permit - that’s what. Nice work Senator! How about we just change the law to fix the problem that was readily identified instead of making stuff up? Require a demonstration of Shooting Competency to get a Utah Concealed Firearms Permit.
Utah CFP reciprocity map
Note: The author of this article is both a Utah Concealed Firearm Permit hold and Instructor. He is also a resident of Utah but wouldn’t want to have to give up his license if he moved to California!
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This entry was posted on Thursday, January 27th, 2011 at 2:01 pm and is filed under CCW, Uncategorized. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.
Yarddog
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"[The Florida license is good for 7 years]"
Yea I missed it by 4 months, My daughter got hers5 mounth after i renewed & she got a 7 yr ; )
Y/D
Yea I missed it by 4 months, My daughter got hers5 mounth after i renewed & she got a 7 yr ; )
Y/D
leadcounsel
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Why not both? The most expensive part is the training class. If you have two, even if they overlap states, you can keep one in the safe in the event you lose one and need to replace it. Also - over time, some state laws may change. And finally, the renewal dates being staggered is good in the event you forget to renew or something odd happens...
junglebob
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If you want to go carry in Minnesota on a NR LTC you want Utah, if you want to carry in Florida you need the Florida LTC. I believe there may be one other state that you can carry in with Florida as a non-resident that you can't with Utah, otherwise they are essentially the same.
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