Carrying while wearing recreational clothes

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Hi all,

As summer is coming upon us I was wondering, how do you carry concealed while wearing recreational clothes like shorts or sweat pants. I don't mean jean shorts or khaki shorts or any other "pants like" shorts that can take a belt. I mean the kind with the elastic around the waist. Something that if you tried to strap a holster on or even pocket carry would wind up around your ankles :eek:.

I have been looking at the SmartCarry. Any other suggestions?

Also, if you use a SmartCarry or something like it, how would it hold up with a full sized service pistol, like an XD45 service?
 
The most obvious answer would be a fanny pack, daypack, Maxpedition pack, or one of the new "un-holsters" like the Safepacker and similar items.

Sweatpants and jogging shorts don't have much structure and don't even coceal "nature's gifts" very well. The idea of a Thunderwear rig holding a full-sized auto, concealed by a pair of sweatpants just brings too many hillarious visuals to mind! I'm sure it would work, sort of, but IMHO, you're either going to look like you're wearing "Depends" or you're ... REALLY ... happy to see everybody! :eek: :D

-Sam
 
Personally...

NAA .22 mini revolver , 1 1/8" , .22 lr, with lanyard worn around neck, in a bathing suit pocket, shirt pocket, or in a pack of smokes, or...

Beretta Bobcat 21A, .22 lr, with electrical tape and cord to make a lanyard, also worn around the neck, bathing suit pocket, shirt pocket, in pouch of cigarette rolling tobacco, or ...

S&W J frame, with Model 37 , 042, 442, for instance, also with lanyard set up, for around the neck...

I/we cheated.
I had seamstresses add inside pockets to T shirts, and oxford shirts, and built in "IWB Holsters" in bathing suits, or gym shorts. I do suggest a string tie, in addition to just elastic.

Before the current undershirts came out, with places for guns, we had these made, for both ladies and gents.

Visit a "uniform" shop, that sells scrubs. Look for the "surgical" scrubs, and these have pocket both inside and outside, of both tops and bottoms.
These can, and are, worn reversible in the main operating rooms, emergency room, etc.

These are light, and comfy on a hot summer day.
Scrub top, and gym shorts...everyone does it...
 
Sam,
you bring up a good point. I'm not sure how concealed it would be wearing a SmartCarry under shorts, it may be too bulky. Also I'm not sure how well it stays in place. A fanny pack is a consideration. I remember seeing one that actually looked like a regular fanny pack as apposed to a gun concealment pack.

sm,
I haven't considered a lanyard before. Interesting idea.
 
Belly band. Can go in numerous positions above or below the waist. After I wear it for a while I don't notice it (with my 340PD, which is light).
 
Tom Givens, at Rangemaster, shared a new undershirt, and for the life of me, I cannot recall the name of it, nor find the bookmark I had for it.


Wearing a ladies tube top, next to skin, then smart or thunder carry, prevents chaffing and hot spots, for both guys and gals.
Just position the "tube" where it needs to be.


My experience is with the Kel-Tec P-11, as I was asked to test and evaluate it for some persons.
So I have concealed it all sorts of ways, including with a lanyard (just used one as a USB Flashdrive comes with, and break away feature) and inside scrub top pocket.
They also have these lanyards for employees of hospitals, that wear badges and have keys on them.
So this all "blends in", meaning medical folks with lanyards...

I used to work in the main or, and while I could not carry in the hospital, I could carry to and from.
I worked graveyard, and was on call often for graveyard shifts.
So being out in the wee hours, in the hot and humid south.

So ladies and gents, in the medical field, used this method, with a P-11 as well.
Doctors/ Surgeons , RNs, Scrub Techs, Heart Team, Organ Harvest Team, Rad Techs, Profusinisht, Cell Saver, CRNAs...
Plus sales reps that had inventory for "nails" meaning Ortho, , those with bone, Stryker Instruments...Heart Valves...you name it.

A lot goes on in the medical field, many folks are not aware of. It is not uncommon for folks to be out and about, especially in the wee hours, like a Ortho rep, and getting "nails" to a case in a OR.
They may run to another hospital to get inventory, and many stay in the OR while the case is being done.
(Heck, some of these ladies and gents, know these procedures well enough to do them , themselves.)


Now I never messed with Kel-Tec P 32, and later P3AT.
Still a number of folks did get, and did get quality lessons/ training with these guns.

I was assisting with P-11 , NAA mini revolver , 1 1/8", with lanyard, Beretta Jetfire, and Beretta Bobcat, as these last two guns, have been a staple of medical folks, since forever.

Statutes stated, one could not carry in hospitals. Still many medical facilities are not in the best part of town, nor are some supply (warehouses) where medical things are received, and distributed in town.
Add, home health care.

You have to get to and from, despite not being able to carry in the hospital.
Add, running errands, such as getting off work at midnight, or finishing an on call case at 3am and going to the grocery store.

Note. A LOT of Software was employed, meaning "not everything defaults to gun.
Quite a bit of offensive, and defensive driving, and communications with Police, Hosp Security , co-workers, and family.

Ankle carry, was not popular for a number of reasons.
One, is more difficult to access from ankle and employ.
Now ankle carry is fine if wearing scrub pants and driving in, or leaving, but...

Not everyone wore scrubs to and fro. Those of us in the Main OR did not have to adhere to a weird dress code, the rest of the hospital did.

WE had to wear scrubs in the Sterile OR area.
You cannot be in the OR unless you are in scrubs, or wearing a "bunny suit".
So we wore whatever clothes to the hospital, went to gents, ladies, doctors, locker rooms, changed into scrubs and left our street clothes in our lockers.


So in the hot, humid, summer months in the South, shorts and T shirts were often worn.
WE had 30 minutes from the time we got a call to come in, to be in the OR, and in scrubs.
So for instance, when the phone rings at 1am, you toss on clothes, and go.
For many, gym shorts, T shirt, and gone.

Whatever method(s) you choose, you have to get quality instruction, and continue quality practice.

Since a concern was being in the vehicle, having gun where one can access while driving was important.
So a lanyard on my P-11, and gun in outside scrub pocket, meant I had it "right there".

My lanyard was a break away, still lessons were shooting at bad breath with lanyard.

Now I have run stop lights, taken a "left on red" , and driven over the speed limit.
I had a legit reason to be out in the wee hours. Police agencies afforded "us" a courtesy, which we did not abuse, such as running with flashers on, night or day.

Software, communications, and when a Police Officer, Fire/Rescue, EMT, or other professional, saw one of "us" with flashers, and taking offensive/defensive measures, they came to our assistance, or called it in to Police.

I had to run some items to another hospital, due to an emergency at around 2am and I was picked up leaving the hosp parking lot.
I blew a stop light, which caused a Fire Dept truck to call me in, seeing flashers, I then blew by a State Cop, on the freeway, and he gave chase.
The two vehicles that picked me up, were then pulled over by another State, and Sheriff Deputy that came to assist.

Youths had a thing about picking up a vehicle after leaving a hosp parking lot, at the time.

State Police pulled up alongside, I showed my Hosp ID, and another "code" we had and he followed me the other hospital, once safe, he asked, while helping me, and other hosp folks unloading what I brought.
Then I was to bring back items, he assisted with this, and escorted me back.

Software, having practiced plans, communications...

Layers of "defense" before you have to resort to gun.

s
 
I wear a SmartCarry every day with a full size M&P9 on my runs in the clothing the OP i considering & have never had an issue with concealment, the gun staying in place, etc. That includes trail runs & jumping over streams, on rocks, etc...

You might have to buy your gym shorts a size big & be careful about how tight you tie the drawstring but it'll work.

You HAVE to practice with a SmartCarry though. Because the fabric is (duh) soft, it's easy for a front sight to catch on it & foul your draw before it even starts. The best way I found to get around that was by applying some pressure toward the trigger guard, if that makes sense, pulling the front sight away from the seam it rests next to & drawing straight to a high 2 position. Try to keep the gun as close to vertical or even with the muzzle tilted a little to the right (for a right handed shooter) as well.

I found a size small works great for a Kimber Compact size 1911 & the med works for the full size M&P9 or a G-17. Obviously the larger guns are a little harder to conceal, but with an untucked T-shirt it'll probably go un-noticed.

I found that with a shirt tucked in the draw from a SmartCarry is very close to being as fast as an unconcealed IWB appendix carry holster.

As sm stated, get creative. While I'm not a fan of tiny guns or "non-standard" carry methods in general, they do have a place if there are no other options. You could hide an NAA Derringer in a man-kini if you had to.:D
 
YammyMonkey,

I was born and raised in the South.
It gets so hot and humid, them "skeeters" big enough to stand flat footed, and French Kiss a chicken, even get so hot...
They don't wanna bite, instead sit on the bench out front of the bait shop and sip a cold RC like everyone else.

Heckuva sight, I'm tellin' ya! *grin*

I tend to remember history is a good teacher, if we pay attention.

Re: Small guns.

There was no such thing as a Glock, or .40 cal, and the only "plastic" gun, was a Remington Nylon 66 .22 rifle

Re: Holsters.

Nobody said "somebody gotta do something!" Folks just "did". We did not have anywhere the holster and carry options we do today.

Folks grew up with guns, still many left the rural, and semi rural areas, to attend school in bigger cities.
Especially gals, like those attending nursing, or other medical fields.

So back in the day, the small guns afforded carry options for everyone, especially gals
Some smaller "hardware guns" were used, because not everyone could afford a nice Colt Banker's Special, or S&W revolver, such as a J frame.

I just happen to have spent time in and around medical settings, so I was familiar with what Mentors shared with ladies and gents in these settings.

Then one day, the Mini-Skirt hit the fashion.
Hot Dang!
For a southern boy in junior high this was wunnerful.
High School was ...well...I aced Geometry, and Bio, I paid attention in class to them Mini Skirts, I mean young good looking teachers.
*I am a guy*

No Internet, folks were self reliant, and old school stuff like Improvise, Adapt, Overcome, was simply How raised-What you do..

So folks paid attention to seasoned folks about all this.
Folks actually tried a gun before they bought one, or folks chipped in to get one for a guy or gal going to school in a bigger city.

Carry methods were shared, and again, tried, and then folks chipped in time, materials and skills to make what needed making to work.
Yeah a T shirt might have a pocket, or pockets sewn in, where a lady or gent could access a small gun, by simply reaching inside a button shirt, like an oxford.

Ladies oxford shirts, button opposite of Mens, so...ladies got a mens shirt, if they were right handed, as it was easier to slip a hand into the shirt, and have firing grip, on the gun, while taking the bus, or walking to a bus stop, or standing there waiting for the bus.

All sorts of common sense and thinking out of the box.

Oh, don't get me wrong, lots of folks carried full size 1911s, including gals wearing short, short cut off jeans and T shirts.
The trick then, is the same now.
A good belt
So a shoe shop would take good leather, and make a good belt, and then dye it.
They would also take the holsters of the day, and make them IWB, add cant, and fit to body type.

If a girl 4'11", can conceal a full size 1911, wearing short short cut off blue jeans, and T shirt, anyone can.

The gun was a bone stock, Gov't Model of 1911. For her Graduation Gift, in '72, she got a Colt Combat Commander, just 'because', she wanted one.

Her "in a little black dress" gun, was a Beretta Jetfire.

Times may have changed, and with it new hardware, like guns and knives,and sticks.
The Software is the same.

Everyone carried a knife, men and women both, were not dressed without a knife.
Now folks got some serious lessons about pen knives, 3" and less. Non locking, no easy assist.
Just like they did on how to use a 6 1/2 glass bottle of Coca-Cola they paid a nickle for.
Or how they were the weapon, just whatever was handy was a tool.

Gals, often got a Christy Knife, just a rite of passage, or tradition or whatever.
Carton cutters were another tool in the toolbox, as was screw drivers. Back then, a lot of free Advertising stuff was used, like knives, small screwdrivers and such.
Early on, we did not have decent ball point pen. When the Parker Jotter came out in '54, that one, would write, and lessons with it were done.
The same lessons as No. 2 pencil and Fountain pen.

Chrome flashlights with intermittent buttons were toted, and lessons on how to shoot with a light, as Cops did, and how to use for impact , and target ID.

Still a gal, on a hot summer evening, was armed. Nobody saw the gun, knife, and if rain, the umbrella was a tool, if dark, nobody thought nothing of a gal with a flashlight, as she would be walking home in the dark from the bus stop.
Newspaper, or a magazine rolled up...

Some stuff don't change.

Some hardware has, the Software never has.
 
Honestly, this is the hardest situation to adapt to in terms of CCW, at least in my opinion.

I guess carrying a gun concealed in swimwear might pose a more difficult problem, but sweatshorts and the like still don't make great platforms upon which to attach a gun.

Here is my current solution:

If I am wearing sweat shorts it means I'm either bumming around the house or I'm exercising. If I'm exercising I like to have water, so I wear a Camelbak water pack with me while I run, hike, bike, etc. Even in the smallest water-only pack I have, I can fit a Glock 27 if I don't fill the water bladder to capacity.

Obviously accessing the gun can take a few seconds (less than 5, but that is still a long time when things are going REAL bad). But, life is about compromises, and a gun can't always be the top priority on a wardrobe when going for a 5 mile trail run! This compromise works fairly well in my opinion!
 
Summertime is not the only time, that poses a problem for CCW.
So one would be wise, to pay attention to other folks and situations they have been in, or are in.

i.e. It was the fall of the year, when I had my emergency appendectomy.
I was taking classes and wearing jeans, or casual pants, just flat did not work.
For one I hurt, and two, I was still swollen.
So I wore sweat pants, with draw string tie, and pockets.

i.e. It was Springtime, when I survived a serious incident, and was pretty banged up.
My "hurt" hurt.
My bruises had bruises...

Weather was typical, from some days being nice, to cooling at night, to be a bit warm during some days.
Now I was down, for a bit, meaning bed,carry was out period. then wheelchair, then cane,... so

Weak side was banged up, I was under NO Recoil orders due to weak side eye, cracked scalpula ( shoulder blade,) ribs on that side...
I had bad knees anyway at that time, and the weak side was ...it was there, just not able to use.
Ankle was out, as bending over hurt, and ...
Concerns of neck, back...so I was restricted by doctors, and PT, to a .22 caliber, only.

Having assisted others in the condition I was in, I understood. I did not want to detach a retina, or worse.
Nor become paralyzed permanently. I had partial paralysis, due to pinch nerves and whatever else I managed to bang up.

Basically, I hurt as bad as I looked, and I looked pretty awful.

So I wore loose clothes, and used a Beretta Clip on holster that allows one to reverse the clip. I was
I just layered clothing. I still needed to having dressings checked, changed and the like.

i.e surgeries such as hip, also mean clothing changes, and weight concerns.
It flat hurts, to have anything on the side where the surgery was done.
Wearing opposite, does not cure the problem entirely either, as weight period hurts.
There is a tendency to "favor" healthy side, and with a new ball and socket ( hip), well, surgeons and PTs want you to walk as you are supposed to.

i.e. expectant moms.
Guys, have no reason to fuss.
Gals have to wear what is comfy, and fits. Stretch tops are common. As time goes on, and much discussion about expectant ladies and guns has already been done.
Still they have to really come up with Software, plus adapt hardware.

My point is, we have to "dress around the gun" in more ways than that simply implies.
Cooper said "comforting, not comfortable".

So pay attention to those that have been through various situations, and pay attention to those that are going through something.
Note the Software first.
Then of course, pay attention to Hardware.

i.e No Recoil Orders, do you have a .22 handgun you can carry concealed, if that is what Doctor/Surgeon/Physical Therapist orders?
How about a .22 rifle, such as Marlin 60?
You might not have range of motion to use a pump, lever, or bolt, but a semi allows some ease of use.

I still have one Beretta Holster, and I do not know if Beretta, or anyone makes it.

This holster is has a very very strong clip. Both sides of the holster, have a slot for this clip to insert, and it is "in there", by design.
Still one can use it OWB/IWB, and Weak or Strong side.

Options, and it works.

For ladies, often times wearing a light dress when hot and humid and having to be out, after surgery works.
At home, "house dresses" work.
These pocket holsters today, work for skirt and dress pockets too. If weight is a concern, then maybe these small Keltecs and now Ruger, might be worth having , for a "just in case.

I just go back to when there was no Kel-Tec, so Beretta series 70, Jetfire, Bobcat, and some other models fit this niche really well.

Better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.

This applies to Software,
Which will lead one to think about hardware.

So you hate .22 rimfire, still a good used .22, with holster, you can carry concealed, might be a good investment, as would a Marlin 60 for home.
It might be for you, the wife, parent, grandparent, or kids, if something serious were occur.
So you hate it, in some situations, you do what even you hate.

Just thoughts...

Summer is a difficult time, especially for new to conceal carry folks.
Which is fine, just part of the learning curve.
Lesson learned , can and do apply for other seasons and other reasons.

Note: For a southern boy, hurt again, and having to wear short britches in Feb with snow on the ground ...
We ain't wired to do that very well at all.
Nope, nada, zilch...it sucks.
 
I have a pouch here with Velcro closures designed to go around a forearm or ankle. Walmart carries them. They are sold for carrying cell phones, MP3 players and the like. It does a swell job holding a gun in the NAA mini, Keltec .32/.380, or Beretta 21A size range. They come in all kinds of nontactical colors.
 
I just don't carry when I go for walks in very hot weather. I refuse to buy or carry any self-defense gun smaller than a J frame Smith, and that would just about have my shorts around my ankles inside of ten feet.. I'm willing to take the chance 1-1 1/2 hours a day.
 
Try a belly band.

Many people hate them, many people love them. They work very well for me, and can hold all kinds of things besides a gun (wallet, cell phone, flashlight) that you might want to have with you.
 
I am a big fan of the SmartCarry. It has never failed me. Good luck on whatever you decide.
 
Two words. Belly band. You can even get some suspenders to support it so it can breath a bit.;) You can carry a larger weapon than a .380 and still wear summer clothes
 
I think you'll be fine with an XD .45 Service (my favorite) in a SmartCarry (I use 'em).
 
I carry an LCP in the pocket of my shorts (basketball style I guess you'd call em) and a very serviceable neck knife on a chain under my t-shirt. Pretty well set for light clothing.
 
I've carried a Glock 29 in a SmartCarry for a couple of years now. I've done lots of hiking, some jogging, climbing, and lots of driving with it wearing all types of clothes. I know it printed at least once... uhm,... sort of the happy look... but I'm pretty sure I was more self conciense of it than I needed to be. That aside, I really like the way I don't have to rely on a waistband or belt to support the holster.
 
I ran 6 miles on road in daytime sweating with shorts and a white undershirt carrying a giant combat pistol with 1 spare clip. Barely noticeable.
 
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