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Declan McCullagh has written a piece for CBS News on the upcoming Supreme Court hearing of McDonald vs. Chicago, the case that could settle, once and for all, whether the Second Amendment is binding on the states. In a refreshing change from the typical media commentary, McCullagh takes a very even-handed approach to the issue and, in fact, seems to believe the Second Amendment does guarantee the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms.
Supreme Court Schedules Major Gun Rights Case
 
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Here is the link and article

Supreme Court Schedules Major Gun Rights Case

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/30/taking_liberties/entry5841302.shtml?tag=stack

The U.S. Supreme Court has set a date to hear the landmark civil liberties case that will determine whether the Second Amendment prohibits state and local governments from enacting stiff anti-gun laws.

Oral arguments in the lawsuit, McDonald v. City of Chicago, will be held on the morning of March 2, 2010. A decision is expected by late June or early July.

It's also worth noting the amicus briefs that have been filed in the last week or so in support of the Second Amendment Foundation and other groups challenging Chicago's handgun restrictions.

There are at least 30 of them -- ably reposted at ChicagoGunCase.com -- plus two unaffiliated ones filed by the NAACP Legal Defense & Education Fund and the Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence. (The NAACP wants to ensure that any decision won't jeopardize other civil rights, and the Brady folks argue that even if the Second Amendment applies to state gun laws, the justices should adopt a deferential approach that lets nearly all of those laws survive.)

This article isn't long enough to summarize all of those briefs. But the highlights include:
* Thirty-eight state attorneys general believe that the Second Amendment protects an individual right against infringement by state and local governments: "Unless the ruling of the court of appeals below is reversed, millions of Americans will be deprived of their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms as a result of actions by local governments, such as the ordinances challenged in this case."

* Law enforcement instructors and trainers, in a brief written by David Kopel, highlight original research including what happened after South Carolina re-legalized handgun sales (crime fell) and Chicago enacted a ban (crime rose). Kopel runs the numbers and concludes: "Chicago after the handgun ban is much more dangerous, relative to other large American cities, than was Chicago before the ban."

* Philosophy and sociology professors offer a break from a legalistic argument to stress the right of self-defense. An excerpt: "To the Founders, the right to be armed was an integral part of the right to self-defense, as is illustrated in a 1790 lecture by an original member of this Court, Justice James Wilson. Justice Wilson was a law professor, member of the Constitutional Convention, and the primary author of the Pennsylvania Constitution. He explained the right to use deadly force to repel a homicidal attacker as a natural, inalienable right."

* In what may come as a bit of a surprise, dozens of California and Nevada prosecutors believe the Second Amendment must apply to states, saying "the fundamental rights embodied in the Second Amendment deserve the same protection afforded other fundamental rights." (Note San Francisco, home of the failed-in-court handgun ban, is not one of them.)
Some background: the Second Amendment, of course, says that Americans' right to "keep and bear arms" shall not be infringed. Last year's decision in D.C. v. Heller applied that prohibition only to the federal government and federal enclaves like Washington, D.C., but left open the question of "incorporation" -- that is, what state laws were permissible or not.

As a result, in the wake of Heller, anti-gun court decisions have proliferated. There's the Maryland appeals court that concluded residents enjoy no constitutional gun rights, a similar New Jersey ruling, and another one from Illinois.

If I had to handicap the outcome of this case, there seems to be a reasonable chance that Alan Gura and the McDonald plaintiffs will win. But a technical win may not have much of a practical effect -- as long as lower courts can figure out a way to justify as constitutional local restrictions that differ only slightly from Chicago's. This may not matter in gun-friendly places like Idaho; it certainly matters to citizens of California, Iowa, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey and New York, all of whom lack a right to keep and bear arms in their state constitutions.

It looks like the Brady Center came to the same conclusion; its brief seems to assume that the Second Amendment does apply beyond the federal government, and instead argues that courts should adopt a "deferential" standard when evaluating state and local ordinances. Of course, advocates for what may be about to become the nation's newest civil right might say that's the same as having no standard at all.

Update 11:03 p.m. ET: Dave Kopel wrote in to tell me that my two-word summary of South Carolina's experience post-handgun legalization was not as accurate as it could be. Crime rose in the state post-legalization, but it rose less than it did elsewhere. So it rose in absolute terms but fell somewhat in relative terms (albeit not statistically significant relative terms). Here's a longer excerpt from his brief: "Crime was soaring nationally in the late 1960s, but it rose somewhat less in South Carolina in the post-ban years. If handgun ownership by law-abiding citizens were criminogenic, then one would have expected just the opposite result: after handgun sales were relegalized, South Carolina violent crime should have risen sharply, relative to the United States as a whole, since South Carolina was the only state in the period that enacted a law to greatly increase handgun availability."

Update 11:05 p.m. ET: Alert CBSNews.com Reader Matthew C. points out that a New York state law protects the right to keep and bear arms. (Go here and search for "infringed" to find the statute, which basically tracks the text of the Second Amendment.) I replied to Matthew by saying in part: "In the absence of a state constitutional guarantee, any subsequent act of the legislature generally will trump the legislature's earlier enactments (such as the NY statutory text you quoted). If there is a strong state preemption law, NY citizens may be able to be rid of restrictive local ordinances, but that doesn't protect them from what Albany does, and the continued existence of New York City's anti-gun ordinances makes me suspect that no such preemption exists."
 
So typical to their "power monger" total government control, total disrespect for the law attitude, the Brady bunch "recognize" that the 2nd does apply to the states, but argue that all must bow to any local city councel and appointed black robe who decrees "no gun for you"....

Sure you have rights... but it only takes a (corrupt) mayor to take them away from you.

Good grief!!!

How did these ilk get any credibility at all.

Oh yeah... I forgot the first pre-req. to enlist in their brand of liberalism... turn brain off.
 
There are at least 30 of them -- ably reposted at ChicagoGunCase.com -- plus two unaffiliated ones filed by the NAACP Legal Defense & Education Fund and the Brady Center To Prevent Gun Violence. (The NAACP wants to ensure that any decision won't jeopardize other civil rights, and the Brady folks argue that even if the Second Amendment applies to state gun laws, the justices should adopt a deferential approach that lets nearly all of those laws survive.)

Sounds to me like the Brady's already know they are beat and now the're tring to keep a loophole open. AirForceShooter's got it right "reasonable control" is scary.

It is a rather surprising article coming from CBS.
 
I think the tide is finally changing within the news media. I think this crisis is pushing many long term moderate liberals into the libertarian camp, which isn't surprising as that's where most of them would be if they really thought through their entire philosophical framework. (I'm talking about liberals concerned with civil liberties, not liberals concerned with liberal spending, social welfare, etc). Or maybe the libertarians are just infiltrating the news outlets!

Anyway, someone over at CBS is finally realizing that most people don't buy the anti-gun propaganda any more and they are either going to have to change or lose viewers/readers.

Great read - hopefully they'll continue to cover the case like this.
 
I don't even understand what this all means. So now we agree that the 2nd amendment doesn't only apply to Federal enclaves like Wahshington DC but does in fact trump state's legislation but that doesn't stop local city ordinances? Big deal. If they even win. Although I guess a loss would be worse. Seems like a no win for us. If we win we get nothing and if we lose that just gives the gun grabbers even more wiggle room.
 
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So now we agree that the 2nd amendment doesn't only apply to Federal enclaves like Wahshington DC but does in fact trump state's legislation but that doesn't stop local city ordinances?

That is the problem, "we" do not currently agree, and the case is McDonald v. City of Chicago so it would stop local city ordinances, at least that is the idea.
 
If we win this case, it will be good for us. Heller was good for us. It is all about establishing case law precedent that supports the second amendment. Winning this case will be good for us make no mistake about that. Every pro-gun case decided by all the courts in the land are good for us. I have never understood the thinking that we gain nothing from winning these cases.
 
None of this means anything until the USSC determines what it means. Then it may still take years for us to see what the fallout from their decision may be...years of lawyers wrangling over terms and concepts.

Like AirForceShooter said, "reasonable control" is frightening...and I'm afraid could also be called "perpetual employment for lawyers"...
 
The libertarian movement is getting stronger... we could actually have a chance at the Presidential office in the next 2-3 elections if we play the cards right.

The media realizes this, and is going to try to shine it in the best light possible in the lead up.
 
Declan McCullagh is actually a pretty fair writer. He used to write for reason magazine and is now with CBS. I emailed him when I found the blog and forwarded him some pro guns sites. He seemed very open to the gun rights camp. He seems to write a lot about civil liberties, and takes to individual rights road. If you read his stuff he references a lot of real lawyers, real legal decisions, and basically gets the arguments for and against gun rights correct (unlike the rest of the media which relies on Brady camp press releases).

So he gets a thumbs up from me. Give him a click so his superiors see his web traffic go up.
 
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