CCW at work question.

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Sistema1927 said:
I can't think of any place in this country that would make me feel less safe than working at one of those Payday Advance Loan businesses. :what:
+1. There's one not far from here (Cheques Cambios--habla Espanol...), and it's basically a shop-and-rob for the local meth community. Every three or four days, it's shut down and cordoned off with police tape. And that's in a semi-rural area, only a couple of miles from Suburbia.

It's even worse for the ones in urban areas. Any place where they need to put in "additional security measures" (like buzzing people in) is not inherently safe. Unless they're paying an obscene amount of money, I'd look elsewhere. CCW or not, you'll get paranoid over time, and all you'll have to show for it is an ulcer and possibly a botched employment history.

Is your employer willing to place a multi-million dollar insurance policy on your safety? These places cater to some of society's lowest common denominator. I doubt I'd be happy working there, no matter how "safe" the employer guaranteed it to be.
 
It sounds like this is just a job, not a career.

Does it really matter if you get fired for violating company policy?. Can you get another job quickly enough if you get found out?.

If you have a valid CCW, then I doubt you could get into any legal trouble, but I am not very conversant with MO's laws; I believe that a place has to be posted to be off-limits. Of course, you would probably be fired on-the-spot, but, probably not put in any legal trouble.

All I can recommend is for you to read the laws concerning CCW in MO and find out what restrictions you have while CCW'ing; if necessary, seek an attorney's help.

I, myself, would rather not have a job where I felt the NEED to carry a gun, as there are other occupations that probably pay as much and are more safe and secure (the exception to this would be an armed guard or a policeman, as carrying a gun is part of the job, so you know what you are signing up for).

Jobs such as taxi-cab driver, liquor store counter worker, etc. are not on my list of potential occupations, and I don't think I would include check-cashing store employee either.
 
This is most definitely "just a job." I do not see a making my entire life's living doing this. I also don't mind claiming "long term unemployment" to my next employer... They do pay significantly more than a McD's or Wal*Mart (Unless I got a really high up position there)...
I guess now all I have to do is find a very good concealment method. Since I have to wear a tucked-in dress shirt and slacks (no vests, jackets etc.), I am thinking either an ankle holster or a smart carry (www.smartcarry.com) holster would work best. Then to get the pistol and take the proper courses. Definitely looking into a Springfield XD as the pistol of choice for this situation. I just have to figure out which barrel length would be ideal in this situation. I am leaning towards the 3" since it should be a lot easier to conceal since it has a shorter grip and barrel.
 
Broomstick,
I mean absolutely no insult or disrespect here, just a thought for you to ponder:
If you were to spend even half the time that you seem to be spending on worrying about this issue working on actually finding a different job, it seems to me that your "problem" would solve itself, capisch? Something for your consideration
 
The rules in the employee handbook say "no firearms or other prohibited weapons allowed." I am pretty sure that if I got caught carrying at work I would be fired, or if I had to draw and use the weapon the same would happen.

Let's dissect that. You say "prohibited weapons." CCW is the way that "prohibited" is removed from the carrying of a gun.

You also say you are "pretty sure" that you would be fired.

Now, what am I getting at? Have you ASKED about the situation? Perhaps the employee manual is designed for the average Joe who does NOT have CCW. In which case, your employer may WELCOME your carrying (as long as he does not expect any "guard" duties from you. I'm sure it is something that their insurance carrier or attorneys have made the decision on.

Your employer may not consider you to have a "prohibited" weapon if you have a CCW that you qualified for.

As far as "doing it anyway" that is a foolish move. You could acquire liability for the entire store (and all the customers) with one shot. Which action could attach your wages for the rest of your life.

Not worth it. And if your employer grants you an exception, get it in writing.
 
Topgun ~

You have to be alive in order to get sued for liability.

Think about it ...

pax
 
Boomstick, I'm unqualifed to answer your legal question, leave that to the attorneys, but as a lifelong Missourian (STL) who use to be in the financial business, I would advise you to get another job.

Even if you get combat pay, the BGs know you have cash... that is your business. Too attractive. In a not so bad area of STL a pawnshop owner got blown away a few years ago (a few blocks from my in-laws home). I know that is anecdotal, but when you are in the money business, you have to be careful. From the security measures you described, unless (and even) if you are in a fairly "safe" rural setting, the owner of the business doesn't really care for his employees security, so if I was forced to work there I would take care of my own (legal CCW).

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I have decided that if I ever have to work for a place that prohibits carrying a gun with a permit, I'll do it anyway. I can get a different job. I can't get un-killed. My older brother used to work for Papa John's delivering pizzas. He knew 2 drivers who were mugged. I'll tell you the story's & let you make your own decision.

Case 1: Driver goes out to his car after delivering a pizza. 2 guys approach his car while he's in the drivers seat. There is one guy at his window with a baton & another guy at the pasenger window who is unarmed. The guy at the drivers window says "Give me your wallet". The driver pulls a pistol*, aims it at the guy at his window & says "I don't feel like getting mugged tonight". The BG at the passenger window runs away. The driver says to the remaining BG "That guy supposed to be your friend? Here he runs off while you got a gun in your face? Some friend." The BG nods. Driver lets BG go**. Driver lives unharmed.

Case 2: Driver delivers a pizza. 3 guys approach him & tell him they want his wallet. He gives it to them. The BG's get mad because he only has $12.00 & they kick his eye sockets in. This driver was unarmed.

*The drivers aren't supposed to be armed.

**I would have held him there for the police probably.
 
Sir Aardvark said:
It sounds like this is just a job, not a career.

Does it really matter if you get fired for violating company policy?. Can you get another job quickly enough if you get found out?.

I worked for a very large privately owned family business which was headquartered in the VERY worst part of a VERY bad city for several years. The building was a huge affair that took up the entire city block. Hookers worked the streets in broad daylight, and crawled the pavement like cockroaches after the sun went down. On any given Monday morning, the employee parking lot was littered with used condoms and syringes and fired shell casings. My job required me coming in early and leaving late. Very late. Oft times I would have to let myself out of the building at midnight, several hours after the rest of the folks there had left, and the security guards were seldom anywhere near. I was young, struggling to make ends meet, and this job came along paying twice what my old job did, was in another city, and I was not familiar with it's combat zone reputation when I hired on. Company policy directly forbade the carrying of firearms - I ignored it. This in a state where CCW was years away from becoming a reality. Once inside the building one was secure - it was getting from the building to your car that was an obstacle course of hookers, pushers, and assorted trash. The trannies worked one side of the street, the RG's (real girls) worked the other, and there was constant friction between the two. Gunfire erupted on a regular basis, and knife and razor wounds were common. My office window faced the street, and I was called on one time as a witness to a murder when some fool who obviously was out of his element was attempting to make a drug buy, and had his own pistol taken away from him and used to kill him. I heard the shots that hit four of our truck drivers who had turned down the propositions of hookers who then took exception to their refusals. As I said, a combat zone. My main concern while at work was someone firing a round through a lighted window for fun or on whim. Never happened to my office, but there was more than one window in that building replaced after being pierced by bullets. As stated above, summer or winter, I walked out of that building at night, feeling like a point man in Bagdad with no backup behind me, constantly waiting for "the" confrontation, with a .44 with the hammer back under a jacket. I always figured that if anyone got me, I wanted them to be easily identifiable from the big round .429 caliber hole in their COM. The revolver always came in with me in a breifcase, and left with me under the coat draped over my right arm. Those were truly the most terrifying times I can ever recall. After a few months of this, my boss came into my office, said he knew that what I was doing wasn't safe, looked around, and laid a Rossi .38 on my desk. I slid it back, told him "no thank you" and didn't elaborate. I feel sure he knew why. Three years after I went to work for them, our offices were moved to a more secure location, and the next year all corporate offices were moved after a Senior VP was robbed two steps from the front door at five o'clock on a sunny day.

In retropect, I should have demanded they provide armed escorts to and from my car, or should have told them to shove that job up their...well...you get the idea. Young and hungry for success = rash behavior sometimes. Guess that's why the recruiters want to sign young guys up.
 

I suspect most companies that have these rules have them, not to prevent employees from carrying, but to absolve them of any liability if things go to Hell.

Bob

 
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I would add talk to the person or boss that hired you and see what they say.
I'd have to recommend against doing that. If it's company policy against carrying, they obviously have their reasons (however illogical they may be) and it's highly doubtful your boss is going to bend the rules just for you. Asking if it would be okay to carry when company rules prohibit it would only cast suspicion on yourself. Then your boss would always be checking you out when you're not looking, trying to see if you have any unusual bumps or bulges in your clothing, and maybe even ask to see "what's in your pocket" if they suspect you may be carrying, just because you already tipped them off that you would like to carry. They may also be inclined to search your bag/locker, or even look under your jacket every once in a while, "just for security reasons".

If you decide to break company rules and carry on the job, just do it, tell absolutely no one, and don't cast suspicion on yourself right from the start by asking if it's okay first when you already know it's not.
 
Where I work I'm not supposed to carry either....

(and that is NOT a P3AT in an ankle holster on my left leg)

What momma don't know won't hurt her... :D
 
I manage a check cashing and payroll advance place. I know the feeling of having to carry around large amounts of cash. I just want to say, concealed means concealed.
 
Kramer Krazy said:
I'm not allowed to have firearms on the property of my employer. My wife knows that if anything happens to me while at work, or to-and-from, that could have been prevented with my CCW, she's to sue the ever-loving crap out of the company if I'm not around to do it.
I'm not so sure that your wife will accomplish anything with that lawsuit other than to transfer some of the insurance money from your death over to a law firm's payroll. The reason they can legally prevent you from carrying at work (even if you have a CCW) is because you yourself have chosen to work there. More to the point - you continue to work for them even though you know you're not allowed to carry there. So - if you follow their rules and don't carry - you've chosen to disarm yourself.

IANAL, so I'm just guessing.

pax said:
After all, carrying a gun doesn't make you bulletproof. It just lets you shoot back and maybe save your life if things go to hell.
Right in the 10 ring.
 
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