CCW & Body Type (Tall, Fat & Long Torso): Any Ideas?

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Will_Power

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Hey guys,

I'm getting my pennies saved up for my first handgun purchase, but am faced with a dilemma regarding which pistol to purchase and, more importantly, how I'm going to be able to carry it.

I'm 6'4" with a build like a defensive tackle, and a gut like a retired boxer. I'm a fat guy, you see, and so have what I suspect to be some legit concerns about concealed carry. Compounding my girth is the fact that I have a really, really long torso. I have to wear Tall sized shirts and coats, and even then, my shirts often expose my lower back when I get out of vehicles, sit down, stand up, do quadruple summersaults, etc. In truth, it's my long torso rather than my gut that gives me the most pause about carrying.

An OWB will likely hang out of my shirts quite plainly (I know my Leatherman pouch is easy to see), but an IWB in the small of my back or kidney position will be visible with regularity.

Carrying in a bag is something I'd like to avoid for all the normal reasons (having the bag with me everywhere, remembering to take it into gas stations, bags being the first thing grabbed, slow speed of drawing the weapon in situations where speed is important, etc).

Regarding my pistol choices, I had settled on the CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical a few months ago after finding it fit like a glove. Recently I was surprised when I handled the slightly smaller CZ P-06 (8.2" x 5.8" versus 7.2" x 5.0", respectively) and found that with the grip extensions that come standard on their magazines, it fit me just fine, as well. Now, I'm particularly torn between the full size SP-01 and the 9mm version of the P-06, the CZ P-01.

All things being equal, I'd just go with the full-size SP-01 (being a big dude, at first I though concealment shouldn't be too hard), but being a handgun and CCW novice, I lack any real appreciation of which would be best for me, much less lacking an idea on how I could actually carry the firearm in a concealed manner.

I could really use some experienced feedback from you old hands. Any other bigger, taller, long-ass-torsoed guys able to make some suggestions? I'm kinda at a loss here.
 
From my experience, You can't really know what is going to work and what is not going to work until you try things out.
Seems to me you have some legitimate carry concerns that you have to work out or around. I will say this; with you being new to this and trying to work on concealment issues......No matter how big you are attempting to work them out around a full size pistol is going to make them all the more difficult.
 
http://crossbreedholsters.com/

I use this holster for my SW SD 40 , I was a little surprised at how well it worked , you will need at the least a strong belt (police like) , most of my belts are (former cop) , but once you have that on and are comfrtable you wont even notice it there any more , I got a gut too and Im 6'8" 265 , so unless your wearing a nylon shirt no one will ever no you have it on! And its quick to the draw! Not sure if theres a cz in there line or not ,but I left url!
 
Crossbreed (or similar design IWB) and a shorter grip will help a LOT, dropping to single-stack and a really thin pistol can help, too.

I'm 6'3", need tall shirts almost all the time (sometimes I can fit a non-tall size) and have the spare tire, too ... CrossBreed holster and a BeltMan belt hold the gun where I want it ... and a combination of shirt selection and public's oblivious nature do the rest.
 
i'm a fat boy too but five inches shorter, when i'm not in cargo pants using and pocket holsters i use an oversize uncle mikes type inside the pants holster.the bigger pocket allows the hammer to ride below the top of my belt while the butt sits even with it.of course this does require pants to be fairly loose.you might also try larger shirts for that "comfortable" look and use the lotemp dryer setting.agree with bigfatdave about a smaller gun. a kahr cw9 is very easy to carry and hide(i did for about a year) but clothes are the key.
 
an IWB in the small of my back or kidney position will be visible with regularity.
Don't carry small of the back -- carry about 3:30 in an IWB with an untucked shirt. Alternatively, use a "tuckable" -- any tuckable can be carried tucked or untucked, as you choose.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the suggestions so far.

I guess I sound like almost every other CCW newbie, all paranoid that people are gonna spot the grip sticking outta my britches and freak out. Like what you guys are saying, most sheeple are pretty oblivious to things.. I guess I understand that, but guess I'm still a bit nervous about what route to take.
 
this may be the only time when being big and fat is good -- rejoice. eat another burger. before even talking about belt carry, let's talk about pocket carry. if you're 6'4" and big, your pockets are going to be pretty large. this means you can pocket carry guns that a 140lb 5'8" guy couldn't dream of carrying. you could EASILY pocket carry a kahr pm9, sig p290, kimber solo, etc. heck, you could easily (note: not capitalized) pocket carry most subcompact 9's or 40's, such as a g26, g27, xd9sc, xd40sc, etc.

now, let's talk about belt carry. at your size, you are wider (front to back) than just about any pistol, no matter how canted or not canted it is in the holster. so, your only concern is thickness of a pistol really, and even then, just wear a big baggy shirt. you can carry anything.

honestly, you have it easier than skinny dudes, ESPECIALLY when it comes to pocket carry. you can pocket carry stuff most dudes need to belt carry. no worries.
 
I am 6'4" 270 lbs fresh out of the shower.
I carry a full size 1911 IWB at 3:30 with NO problem.
However, for deeper concealment, I am picking up a Kel Tec P11 for pocket carry.


Jim
 
I'm 6'6" and go 330 lbs. I have the longest freaking torso in the world. Teh doc told me I should be 7'2" had my legs caught up to my torso.

Anyway, you have gotten a lot of good advice here. Unfortunately, it has been hit or miss for me. I bought a small of the back holseter and that does not work except in winter when wearing a thick sweatshirt of pullover.

I have a D.M. Bullard Dual Carry holster for my 1911 and wear that at the 3:30 position, inside the waistband, and that works pretty good for me. I'm a newbie at ccw as well and am pretty self conscious about it. That will go away with time, or so I'm told. I bought one of David's belts for CCW and liked it so much that I bought a second one. They are GREAT for carry!

I'm now looking at a pocket pistol and holster that I can carry in my cargo shorts. Summer is the most difficlut time for me to carry and as a result I have not carried regularly yet.

The thing that I am coming to realize is that what works for me may not work for you. That is what makes it extremely difficult to find a best practice. If you have access, go to a large store that carry's a lot of holsters and try them on - if they allow that.

Good luck!!!
 
I think an untucked shirt can ride up and reveal on just about any body type when bending and moving in certain ways. I'm not tall but still always remember to nonchalantly hold my shirt down when getting out of the car or leaning forward.

If all else fells you can get a gun small enough for pocket carry such an Ruger LC9 or Keltek PF9. In big enough pockets even some subcompact guns can fit in the front pocket.
 
1+ on the crossbreed design. You can really drop them down. I prefer the Comp-Tac MTAC, but YMMV.

The main trick is to find clothes that fit you well. No one wants to see the spare tire and plumbers crack anyway!! :D

Try these guys out, they sell clothes for real men. The longtail T covers up what you earned with beer and cheeseburgers. I find most of their clothes are cut for men who work for a living.

http://www.duluthtrading.com/

I carry a Glock 26, I suggest you check them out. It is a big gun in a little package. They are very controllable and easy to shoot, and very concealable at the same time. Some call them ugly, but they are dead nuts reliable and durable as a 2x4.
 
Thanks for the replies, everybody.

For those suggested the itsy-bitsy ultra-nano-microscopic-compact carry guns, those aren't an option for me. This will be my first handgun, and so I want something of large enough size that I'll be able to shoot well and handle comfortably. A subcompact might be an option down the road, but not right now.

I am 6'4" 270 lbs fresh out of the shower.I carry a full size 1911 IWB at 3:30 with NO problem.
What brand rig you use?

1+ on the crossbreed design. You can really drop them down. I prefer the Comp-Tac MTAC, but YMMV...

Try these guys out, they sell clothes for real men. The longtail T covers up what you earned with beer and cheeseburgers...http://www.duluthtrading.com/
Any particular makes and models you'd recommend of the Crossbreeds? I'll check out the Comp-Tac, too, but what in particular do you like about it over the others?

And unfortunately, looking at the Duluth site, it appears all their shirts are just normal lengths, extended three inches. I need a Tall size extended... hrmm.

I'm 6'6" and go 330 lbs. I have the longest freaking torso in the world. Teh doc told me I should be 7'2" had my legs caught up to my torso...

I have a D.M. Bullard Dual Carry holster for my 1911 and wear that at the 3:30 position, inside the waistband, and that works pretty good for me. I'm a newbie at ccw as well and am pretty self conscious about it. That will go away with time, or so I'm told. I bought one of David's belts for CCW and liked it so much that I bought a second one. They are GREAT for carry!
Thanks for the recommendation about the DM Bullard.

And I know what you're saying about the long torso but short legs, hahah! It can be annoying!
 
You may want to reconsider your choices, Sure getting your first gun is nice, learn the basics n all, but You may want to have a certain handgun soley devoted for carry, and another nicer feeling/looking;larger one for HD/range fun. I'm suggesting pocket carry guns, 380s and 38s with the occasional 9. Then get you a beautiful CZ later a little later.

But not everyone can or want's to do that so, as others have stated, get a really comfy IWB holster, carry closer to your front, 3.30's a good spot, I usually use 3-4 o'clock areas.

Or this may or may not be uncomfortable, get a bell band, wear it over your belly, slightly under your chest, carry small of the back. It would also decrease draw speed but I've done it for full sized guns until I found a good IWB for them.
 
I am 6'3" and weigh 260 lbs. My EDC for two years has been a CZ PCR in a SmartCarry - and IMHO it just cannot be beat for concealibility or of flexibility of carry.
 
Check out a Glock 19 or 26 or S&W MP 9 or 9C in a blade-tech IWB kydex holster.
http://www.blade-tech.com/In-the-Waistband-IWB-IDPA-APPROVED-pr-820.html#product_images

I wouldn't recommend a 1911 as your first gun unless you are willing to take an intensive course on its use.

In my original post, I've already stated which two handguns I'm deliberating between, neither of which is a Glock, M&P (have heard good things about those, however), or 1911.

I'll take a look at the Blade-Tech, though.
 
Thought I'd throw a short addendum on my thought process so far. Since the grip lengths and widths are essentially the same between the two guns, it's coming down to the issue of weight (1.8lbs v 2.4lbs) and length (7.2" v 8.2").

1. Maybe I'm aching for pain or drowning in foolish naivete, but I like the heft of the steel framed SP-01 (and have heard a handful of concerns about the P-01's alloy frame). I have my doubts (untested, of course) that the extra half pound is going to be a deal-breaker. If plenty of people carry faull size 1911s and revolvers, then it's possible if not alltogether wonderfully comfortable.

2. I've read that concealing barrel length isn't as bad as compared to grip length and width, but where it comes into play is draw speed. How much of a factor would that extra inch affect things as compared to the benefit of the longer sight radius?
 
How much of a factor would that extra inch affect things as compared to the benefit of the longer sight radius?
If you're fast enough for an extera inch of barrrel to make a difference in your draw, you should be in the circuit, making money by winning matches.
 
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