camslam
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+1. I hate to say it, but that is what anti's arguments have, no substance.
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+1. I hate to say it, but that is what anti's arguments have, no substance.
Cactus Jack Arizona
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Whoa Tab, you stated: "Tell me how giving some one a choice rather a weapon is brought into that place of biz is an emotional argument?"
Yet, you claim my argument for conceal carry on campus is based on emotion. Well, isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.
Yet, you claim my argument for conceal carry on campus is based on emotion. Well, isn't this the pot calling the kettle black.
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Tab stated: "What I am worried about is the rights of myself and other property/ biz owners being "thrown under the bus" in the name of anothers Privalges( yes CCW is a privlage, not a right). No one is forcing you to come into my shop. That is a choice you make. So is it so unreasonable that I ask you to respect the choice I make inreguard to what I let come into my shop?"
Don't worry about me coming into your store with my firearm. You see, as a law abiding CCW permit holder, I always obey the law and the wishes of business owners. Yes, it is your right to ban my firearm from your business. However, I figure if you don't want to give me the right to protect myself as per the law, then obviously you don't want my business. I'm not about to run back to my car and lock my firearm up just to make you happy. Yours is not the only shop of its kind. I'll just go elsewhere, thanks.
Don't worry about me coming into your store with my firearm. You see, as a law abiding CCW permit holder, I always obey the law and the wishes of business owners. Yes, it is your right to ban my firearm from your business. However, I figure if you don't want to give me the right to protect myself as per the law, then obviously you don't want my business. I'm not about to run back to my car and lock my firearm up just to make you happy. Yours is not the only shop of its kind. I'll just go elsewhere, thanks.
Cactus Jack Arizona
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Ty: "He's not the brightest bulb on the tree, but he is amusing."
Indeed.
Indeed.
Cactus Jack Arizona
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Orion: "You should put up a sign that says, "No men with penises allowed", . . . . you know, since they could be a rapist."
Funny, I'm laughing here.
Funny, I'm laughing here.
The conservative view that all universities are “liberal bastions” is just not true. The problem with universities is that they are huge bureaucracies (they fear change and litigation) with many competing interests and a diverse population. While some schools like Berkley and Chicago will always be very liberal most state universities tend to more like their local communities. State schools tend to just have liberal and conservative departments or schools with competing interests, think economics vs. social work or are natural enemies in the “real” world like the law school vs. medical school. Throw in an administration who is only interested in status quo and you have a typical state school.
How to get CCW on campus? If the school is private you’re at their mercy, but state schools have boards and legislatures to answer to. If you can convince the student government, faculty counsel, the board and legislature you can move the bureaucracy. It is a massive undertaking but SCCC is a step in the right direction.
How to get CCW on campus? If the school is private you’re at their mercy, but state schools have boards and legislatures to answer to. If you can convince the student government, faculty counsel, the board and legislature you can move the bureaucracy. It is a massive undertaking but SCCC is a step in the right direction.
camslam
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That is hilarious. I would love for even a few examples of "conservative" universities.
With all those academics living in the fantasy tenured land, there is little room for the realities of this world. Even a couple of conservative universities I have dealings with have 80% plus liberal professors running rampant through all departments. They are everywhere. It was the same when I was in college not so long ago. It didn't seem to matter which class, almost all of my professors took the liberal approach to things.
It's a disease.
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I am way too old and set in my ways for college . My daughter goes to a local JuCo tho . In the handbooks she has recived there is no mention of weapons . A buddy of mine also teaches there and says in his handbook it is mentioned that no weapons are allowed . He is a lawyer ( in fact the former da who was term limited out ) . His advise was tell her to carry because they have not met the standards and in fact cannot even expell her with the information she " has " as a student . Here in colorado just where you can carry as a student is complex , only on a few campus tho can it be a crime ( tho it is a crime with public schools running from k thro 12 )
green country shooter
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I teach at a rural junior college. Most of the faculty are conservative, Christian people. A high percentage are gun owners. Now, if you go to a research university that will change, and it varies by department. Almost everyone in the humanities and social sciences is going to be pretty far left. But you can find conservatives in the engineering, business, and medical schools.
What you find in administration is people who got there by never, never taking a risk of any kind. Allowing CCW is a risk.
What you find in administration is people who got there by never, never taking a risk of any kind. Allowing CCW is a risk.
Exactly! Not rocking the boat is concidered a good administration quality.
Many private and or religious schools are very conservative. I can also say with certainty that a state school in Colorado or Tennessee will be more conservative that a state school in New Jersey or Connecticut.
The hardest part of getting CCW on campus is to convince the administrations that 21 year olds can be responsible. Legal or not most schools do not treat or see their students as adults, but as their “charges” so to speak. This perception needs to be changed and SCCC helping do just that. In addition administrators need to realize that the student population isn’t just 18-24 year olds and 30+ year olds make up a significant amount of the student body.
camslam
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That may be true in some areas and for some social issues. However, studies have been done repeatedly in the last 10 years and the ratio of Liberal to Conservative professors and administrators are not even remotely close. Some studies have it as high as 80% +, if memory serves.
Liberals think when it comes to guns, society will benefit from fewer or no guns. I wish their were more conservative schools, but it just isn't so. The cycle of ignorance will continue indefinitely, because students that become professors have largely been indoctrinated by those teaching and in my experience, the vast majority of my educators in college were ridiculously liberal.
green country shooter
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If you will look at those studies, what they consider a "college or university" is either a research university, (the ones that have graduate schools) or small liberal arts colleges. Those studies are generally correct for those schools. But those schools are a minority of colleges, it's just that they are the glamorous ones. It's the difference between, say the University of Colorado at Boulder, where you can expect the faculty to be liberal, and the the Colorado School of Mines.
And a college cannot be "liberal." An institution cannot have beliefs. Only people have beliefs. So to say "show me a conservative college" is absurd. There's no such thing. If you say, "show me a conservative college professor," we can do that.
And a college cannot be "liberal." An institution cannot have beliefs. Only people have beliefs. So to say "show me a conservative college" is absurd. There's no such thing. If you say, "show me a conservative college professor," we can do that.
#shooter, I think your efforts to change college administrator's minds are not the best use of your time and energy. Work on your state legislators and the people who vote to put them in office. They are much more amenable to a pro gun position than college administrators and legislators hold the purse strings for public colleges.
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