CCW in bars, a good thing...

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"I saw (Villagomez) shoot one guy, come back around and shoot the other guy," Hayes said.

Villagomez then started walking toward the middle of the bar before suddenly collapsing to the floor. Hayes later found out that Villagomez was shot by a 48-year-old customer from Reno who was carrying a concealed handgun. Authorities declined to release the Reno man's name, only saying that the man had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon. The man was released after authorities ruled the death a justifiable homicide.

"He was just some random guy in jeans and a shirt who happened to be there," Hayes said. "I was just glad that there was somebody there who was able to help us out."
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Unlike most states, Colorado doesn't criminalize carrying in bars and liquor stores. In fact, as long as one's blood-alcohol content remains below .08%, the same as for driving, drinking while carrying is legal.

Here's a curious fact: it's never been a problem, and what's more, it probably won't ever become one.
 
Unlike most states, Colorado doesn't criminalize carrying in bars and liquor stores. In fact, as long as one's blood-alcohol content remains below .08%, the same as for driving, drinking while carrying is legal.

Here's a curious fact: it's never been a problem, and what's more, it probably won't ever become one.
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Same here in OR. I havent heard of an OR CHL holder firing his gun off in bar yet, either in legit defense, or any other reason.Tells me it must not be as bad as many make it out to be. Only difference here, is I have seen NO mention of carrying and/or using a gun, and alcohol use.I can find no "limit", or even mention of alcohol in realtion to guns.Now, I'm sure if youdrink too much, and are causing, are lokk you you probly will cause, any trouble while carring/shooting, I'm sure there are plenty of non-gun specific laws to deal with it.Like reckless endangerment, disturbing the peace, that kinfd of thing. Seems to work fine her without a specific gun/drinking law.That said, I dont think drinking more than 1 or 2 beers over several hours (for the averege person, with an average tolerance) is very smart or safe, but I dont think that 1 or 2 beers in a 2+ hour period will make you do something stupid either (again, on average, there are exceptions to EVERYTHING).
 
Here's a curious fact: it's never been a problem, and what's more, it probably won't ever become one.
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But what about some of the drunken shoot outs in bars during the late 1800's aka the old west? Wasn't wild Bill killed in a bar by a person that was drinking? So I would not say its never been a problem. Also In Hampton Va roughly 1996 an off duty DEA agent got into a gunfight at a bar parking lot extended from a drunked arguement with an 18 yr old(who I might add was drinking in the bar). Oddly enough the 18 year old was never charged with anything eventhough he was intoxicated and armed with a 44 mag S&W both illegal in Va. The dea guy got fired and sentenced to a jail term of some sort.
 
Seems to me a bar MIGHT be a place you would want to be carrying. I have read THR and other boards for about a year and these threads are really good about reporting any CCW shootings. The only irresponsible one I can recall were two morons engaging in road rage trading shots in Florida. Alcohol can impair judgment but IMHO the people who get legal permits are VERY conscious of their responsibilities and potential penalties.
 
IMHO the people who get legal permits are VERY conscious of their responsibilities and potential penalties.
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this is true and I beleive most folks that are legaly carrying will stay legal. I rarely go to a bar any more because of the dui laws now but here in Va this aplies to any resturant that serves. But wait I cant aford to go out to eat either any more since gas went up and my wife became a stay at home mom. lol I guess I have no worries either way, but I do wish we could ccw in a bar here. At least we can open carry in establishments here.

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Seems to me a bar MIGHT be a place you would want to be carrying
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unless times have changed I spent half of my life in bars and saloons I can not remember any altracations in any places I have been in and some were quite low end. Just an observation and not a reason not to cary.
 
But what about some of the drunken shoot outs in bars during the late 1800's aka the old west? Wasn't wild Bill killed in a bar by a person that was drinking? So I would not say its never been a problem. Also In Hampton Va roughly 1996 an off duty DEA agent got into a gunfight at a bar parking lot extended from a drunked arguement with an 18 yr old(who I might add was drinking in the bar). Oddly enough the 18 year old was never charged with anything eventhough he was intoxicated and armed with a 44 mag S&W both illegal in Va. The dea guy got fired and sentenced to a jail term of some sort.
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I'm not sure how to take the wild bill thing.

wikipedia said:
The motive for the killing is still debated. McCall may have been paid for the deed, or it may have been the result of a recent dispute between the two. Most likely McCall became enraged over what he perceived as a condescending offer from Hickok to let him have enough money for breakfast after he had lost all his money playing poker the previous day.
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So the good guy was killed by the bad guy in the bar. Does that mean the murderer wouldn't have had a gun in a bar because it would have been breaking the law? I'm not sure that I'm buying that a guy will break laws about murder but follow gun control laws. Doesn't that just illustrate that bad things happen to good people anywhere and any time and show that you should be armed? In fact the gun violence of the old west was largely like the gun violence of today, criminals fighting with other criminals, which is what the NV story makes it seem like a ccw holder put an end to.
 
Glad the guy from Reno was there to help out. Stories like this only help the cause. I'm also glad to see the police released the guy from Reno, ruled it a justifiable homicide, and withheld his name.

Texas has some of the stupidest laws on this. Apparently lawmakers figured out that the percentage of revenue derived from alcohol sales was an important factor in the legality of carrying a concealed weapon.
 
I'm not sure a reference to a notorious incident three generations years ago has much relevance except as ironic humor.
 
I'm not sure a reference to a notorious incident three generations years ago has much relevance except as ironic humor.
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Ditto.
I'm not sure what his point is on that one. :confused:
 
Also, there really weren't many "shoot-out's" in the Wild West. Contrary to popular belief, such incidents were fairly few and far betwen. Which is why every time the anti's use that line of thinking to argue against concealed carry, those of us who know even a little bit about Western history chuckle inside and shake our heads...
 
I'm not sure how to take the wild bill thing.
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there was no relivence to my statement execpt that at one point in time rampent drunks in bars did get into a gunfight. Where this has no relivence is that often times there was little or no penility or even rules concerning shooting folks. Well unless the sheriff saw you do it on purpose out side of self defense. and as stated a pinch of off humor to it. Things were way diffrent then than now but drunks in bars were at one point in time an issue of the day. It lead up to a number of towns making a "turn in your guns" law.
 
I feel bad for the "guy from Reno". That is one of the worst ways to end your day - the one thing most of prepare to do (CCW); hoping and praying we never have to.
 
Carrying in bars and casinos is one of the best things we have here - I was carrying at Sheri's Ranch brothel the other day! :D
 
Unlike most states, Colorado doesn't criminalize carrying in bars and liquor stores. In fact, as long as one's blood-alcohol content remains below .08%, the same as for driving, drinking while carrying is legal.
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In Indiana we drink in bars and have no statute against carrying while above .08. Note the lack of bloodbaths in Hoosier watering holes every weekend. (In fact, the only dead body I saw in a bar in Indiana while in LE was killed with an edged weapon).

I fail to see how sitting in a bar enjoying cold liquid bread converts me into a potential killer that must be disarmed.
 
I was carrying at Sheri's Ranch brothel the other day!
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Um you wouldnt happen to have any pics to prove you were carrying there would you?:evil:............uh not that we dont trust your word or any thing:neener:


against carrying while above .08
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so does that mean I can still carry if my bac was .21? or did you mean you are alowed to carry below .08?
 
First rule is awareness and avoidance... don't go stupid places where you know there is a possibility of a fight. People consume liquid courage and do stupid things. I've seen friends attack friends when they are drunk over some of the most ridiculous things.
 
I've been in that bar a few times. All I can say is wow.
I've been to Sheri's before and that place is a hole compared to the Wild Horse and the Bunny Ranch!
 
I carry here if I go to a bar, which isn't often. I don't drink anymore, but It's all about common sense when it comes to firearms and any potentially dangerous endeavor...
 
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