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CCW in Church?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Felonious Monk, Mar 12, 2003.

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  1. Felonious Monk

    Felonious Monk Member

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    Hey guys & gals,

    I know we've spoken of this before, but I got an email today that made me more than a little uncomfortable. I'm going to post it here in its entirety, and would like your comments.

    Based on the situation as retold in the story, I would probably be going to jail, because I would have shot someone.

    I realize it's one of those "contrived stories" put together to make the point, but we all go through scenarios mentally to be prepared. What would you do?

    Tell me what you think:

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Would you run?

    Imagine this happening to you.

    One Sunday morning during service,
    a 2,000 member congregation was
    surprised to see two men enter,
    both covered from head to toe in black
    and carrying submachine guns.
    One of the men proclaimed,"Anyone
    willing to take a bullet for Christ
    remain where you are."

    Immediately, the choir fled, the deacons fled,
    and most of the congregation fled.
    Out of the 2,000 there only remained around 20.

    The man who had spoken took off his hood,
    looked at the preacher and said
    "Okay Pastor, I got rid of all
    the hypocrites. Now you may begin
    your service. Have a nice day!"
    And the two men turned and walked out.

    Too deep not to pass on...

    I picked you~
    My instructions were to send this to people
    that I wanted God to bless and I picked you.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Preacherman

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    Being the pastor, I can assure you that I'd be the first one shooting! Blithering blissninny idiots... :fire: :fire: :fire:
     
  3. Felonious Monk

    Felonious Monk Member

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    Said it before, but...
    Wish you were in TN, Preach!
     
  4. Hkmp5sd

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    In church or any other location....

    If they pretend to be BGs with weapons and threats, they'd better be good at ducking too.
     
  5. Correia

    Correia Moderator Emeritus

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    That is asinine.

    Running away from a mass shooting somehow shows lack of FAITH?

    Man I hate some of these stupid e-mails that go around.

    And if it had been real the bad guys would have been riddled with bullets pretty quick.
     
  6. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

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    What Hkmp5sd and Correia said. :neener:
     
  7. El Rojo

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    Put this one in the same file as the spy satillite photos of the Columbia blowing up. This is obviously made up with the point to show how many Christians talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. I seriously doubt its validity and it is merely a story.
     
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    Agree with all the above posts.

    Consequences : whether its a false holdup in a church, false alarm for fire...

    Our family business was cased one day, BG's robbed another store instead--we were "too observant"--(BG's later admitted).

    next afternoon:
    Business owner's son next door thought it would be cute to enter our store and yell "Robbe...before he could finished, I'd shucked the mod 37 and dad had a model 66 at the ready...He wet himself, he never did that again...plus his dad then disicplined him.
     
  9. aikidoka-mks

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    Unfortunately I am in Illinois most Sunday mornings now so I wouldnt be able to respond like I would in Indiana :-(

    I do hope I would be brave enough to try and stop them anyway though.

    I do get tired of emails like that going around though.

    Mark
     
  10. Jack T.

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    Several in our church ( including yours truely ) are armed every Sunday.

    Heard a quote once: "There is no cause worth dying for that is not better served living for"
     
  11. blades67

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    :rolleyes:

    I recieved that e-mail a few months ago. Before you get your panties in a bunch, remember that it's a JOKE! :rolleyes:
     
  12. Jim March

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    Stupidity is often grounds for the death penalty. It was always thus, it always will be, and you wouldn't want to swim in a gene pool where it wasn't.
     
  13. Preacherman

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    Blades, ol' buddy, I know it's a joke, but it's in such incredibly stupid taste that I find it impossible to be amused at it. I know of three incidents like this where fake "assailants" burst in on groups of people that led to real weapons being drawn, and almost used. The reaction from those armed citizens who had prepared to defend themselves was almost homicidal rage... and I don't blame them at all! Tragically, there are some blissninny dweets out there who really think that such a demonstration would prove a point. Sorry, I can't laugh at this one.
     
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    I'm with you Peacherman. Not something I can laugh at.

    You and I both have 'life experiences that dictate otherwise.
     
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    Let's see . . .

    1. Pastor, former Marine and cop
    2. Elder (me), former Navy but know how to shoot despite that handicap due to redneck, farmboy upbringing
    3. Another Elder, really good shot with a pistol
    4. Deacon, former Marine in cop training
    5. 'Bout 35% of the remainder of the congregation is former or retired military (except for the Air Force guy, I don't consider the Air Force to be actual military :D)

    Yeah, I think anyone truly threatening the flock will be introduced to men who believe in protecting that which God has given them.
     
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    Not to worry, I don't think anyone would try that south of Massachusetts.

    Glad to have Preacherman's comments and must repeat here the wisdom of Jim March:

    Stupidity is often grounds for the death penalty. It was always thus, it always will be, and you wouldn't want to swim in a gene pool where it wasn't.
     
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    There's two right there ;)
     
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    Whew! Makes me glad I'm an atheist! Those churches sound like awfully dangerous places.
     
  19. Snowshoe

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    It is well that we remember that we are involved in a "holy war".
    I would guess there are a few that carry in our church. I personally know of two.

    The first Sunday I visited the church, the Pastor asked if I had the "habit" of the friend who brought me. I just smiled and told him I didn't know what he was talking about.
     
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    Anyone entering my Church brandishing weapons has just lost the advantage. Now I know they are armed but they have no knowledge that I am.

    I subscribe to the Israeli theory that any hostages are already dead and would consider myself doomed unless I took action.

    I have nothing to lose. Who dares, wins.
     
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    Can't wait to get that email and see how many feathers I can ruffle with my "reply to all" response. :-D
     
  22. pax

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    Of all the types of spam I get in my email box, glurge annoys me the most. :banghead:

    That said ...

    I know of at least one church where the pastor quietly asked a few of the men in the church who had CCWs to make sure that they always came armed to church. He believed in taking care of his people, body and soul.

    pax

    I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. --- Galileo Galilei
     
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    Is one thing to be willing to die for a cause. Is another to want to die for a cause.
     
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    Guns do not belong in the church. It's a sacred area- holy ground. Jesus wouldn't have carried. Sure, he told his disciples to get swords or whatever, but they didn't carry them inside the church. geez- Why do you think God made Moses take off his shoes? :rolleyes: Think about it. Did Jesus make his 12 disciples get out their "Swords" and attack when the Romans came for him? Nope- He surrendered and followed their demands. Sarah Brady must be proud.
    -DF
     
  25. Jim March

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    There's a counter to that:

    Absolutely nowhere in the Bible is any God-fearing person barred from arms. Literally. Under the old Law Of Moses (Old Testament), there's NO "weapons control laws" at all. And believe me, they were common as fleas during the bronze and early iron ages; the Romans were big on weapons control laws in captured territory, as were the Assyrians, Medo/Persians and other contemporary cultures the Jews would have come in contact with. So it's not like the idea wasn't available.

    There was no ban on carry in temples, churches or whatever.

    Several God-fearing people throughout the OT were attacked by criminals, and defended with no legal/moral/religious problems. In several cases, people or groups wrongly USED weapons, and were punished/condemned for the misuse, but not a single word was mentioned about the underlying weapon ownership (including swords). At least one OT figure in God's good graces assassinated an evil enemy king with a handmade dagger in an unusual cross-draw concealment rig :D.

    There's no support for gun control in the bible. Period.
     
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