CCW incident in Louisville, KY

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Good post and interview. Thanks for posting this.

I am glad the the victims of this crime were not hurt or killed by the CRIMINALS.

I wonder if the landlord gave up on 'personal checks' because he had problems with the checks. I would not want to have that much cash on me. I have had to do that at times though. (Not counting my financial job, money room, in the 70's.) I know that some places only want checks or money orders for 'rent' from what I was told. Yes, it protects both parties even if you have a 'receipt'. NO cash allowed in some places.

People of ALL ages, even little old ladies, have been robbed, raped, knifed and shot dead for a couple of dollars or for the thrill of it by criminals with FULL INTENT.

I think that this man and his wife would have been killed - masks on those robbers or not. Otherwise why the weapon and the words by the perps?

I wonder if some people here think that he should have "handed over the money" and NOT fought back. I think that they would have robbed him and killed them both.

I wonder how many people here think that the VICTIM 'asked for it' because after all he had $$$ in his wallet, he did not make it to the bank right away, he actually was working on his own property to make it better for another person along with DARING to MAKE a LIVING as an average person in this day and age... no matter how OLD he was.

I say good for him that he could save his wife and himself.

The criminals not only wanted to do THIS crime but how the H did they STEAL that gun from the police department?!? Huh? Usually those things are kept locked up or in an evidence room somehow if the 'police' have it anyway for whatever reason, right?

The family calling the bad guys 'victims' makes me want to vomit now!

I can see where some say to have your lawyer with you because that is your "right". That point is brought up in many books that I have read. I think that Mas says this too.

I can see the other POINT where you just come out and tell it like it is but in SOME states - anti gun ones along with certain D.A.'s - that could get you into TROUBLE. In many towns and states... the victim would again get the SHAFT because he DARED to DEFEND his wife and himself because he was in FEAR of them being KILLED by the criminals... not counting losing his personal property.

One for the good man! The two bad guys deserved what they GOT... oh yes, NO offense. STICK a gun in someone's face and threaten to KILL him or them... sounds like self defense to me!

Sounds like a good Veteran to me too.

Catherine
 
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Think of the people who are not 'allowed' to protect themselves or their loved ones now.

If they did pack heat in a NO CCW place... they would be in the wrong by SOME people because it was against the "law". So they get to DIE because they did not fight HARD enough to get the law changed even if it was never going to change in some places or it would be a cold day in H where some of THOSE politicians and some of THOSE higher ups in the FOP or highway patrol or wherever did NOT want the mere citizenry to LEGALLY CCW or OPEN CARRY!

Catherine - Open Carry Lady Myself!
 
My biggest gripe is he kept saying "I'm sorry" for what?
2 masked THUGS stick a gun is his face threatening to kill him if he doesn't give up his wallet. And since when is it a CRIME to carry cash on your person albeit a large sum of money it may not be smart but it ain't illegal. Kentucky has a castle doctrine good for them
 
Maybe he felt bad because he killed 2 people even though THEY were the criminals and in SELF DEFENSE and his wife's defense - it could be a spiritual thing for him too. I don't know. I am not him.

I think that it is like WAR too. I think that you go through stages... I was told this by Veterans who had to kill people and by my late husband... war STUFF.

It is NOT a crime to carry money so please don't take what I wrote wrong. You would have to go back a few threads to see where I made a POINT about Victims and Criminals to some other folks on here. We agreed to disagree. Victims are victims. Crime is crime and criminals are the BAD GUYS.

Some people 'think' that some VICTIMS provoke a crime or they 'ask for it'. Look for the rifle and rifle rack post on here and you will understand what I mean. That thread was closed BEFORE I got to post on it and I started one where I asked some questions. I gave my opinion too.

I know many people who carry CASH on them along with their check book. Sometimes a bank check card that they use like a 'charge' - no pin number given. Some don't use debit/check or charge cards. Many people do not believe in cards too.

So there you go. It most certainly is NOT a crime to have cash on you. It is up to the individual on how much cash he or she wants to have on them. I know some men who use CASH for everything except for a few things where they always want to write out a CHECK. They don't use cards - some for religious reasons too.

Take care.

Catherine
 
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Maybe he felt bad because he killed 2 people even though THEY were the criminals - it could be a spiritual thing for him too. I don't know. I am not him.
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Spiritual or not, I think most people, including myself, would be devastated if they had to take a life, any life. Its an absolute, last, last resort IMO.
 
Thank you for the post. I would be happy to be alive, and have my wife be alive with me, but I would also be devastated to take a life.
 
Incredible story. Thanks for the post.
Has there been any follow up with the criminals family? Are they seeking a civil suit? Mr. Jackson, IMHO, should be immune to any civil suit, but I don't think that's always the case.
 
I salute this man for standing his ground against those who would take his and his wife's lives. I'd like to shake his hand but I'm probably the bigger part of 10000 miles away.

This makes me all the more aware of the fact that in my own country, I and anyone else would be dead after such an incident, because guns are illegal to use in self defense here.

It is one of the most grotesque perversions of justice to even put victim and perpetrator on the same scale. To command that I respect my attacker's "rights" in the face of my own murder or robbery, or that of my family or friends, taking place infuriates me beyond belief.

I assert my right - for rights are solely the domain of the just - to life, liberty and property. I will not voluntarily accept any infringements on those as long as I myself do not initiate such force against anyone else. I intend for that creed to be life long. It is the very foundation of society and civilization.
 
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Never talk to the police

Nightschool,

Sounds like KY has some pretty good laws that would protect this gentleman, as well as anyone else forced to use lethal force in self-defense. That being said, it is still best not to talk to the police, as you had mentioned. But I think, despite the protections of KY's laws, the standard for arresting you under the statues you quoted is "probable cause." The police do not have to "prove" anything. An over exerburent, anti-gun LEO in different circumstances may feel he has probable cause and then off you go to jail.
Exercising your 5th Amendment rights is ususally the best course of action and the gentleman could have sumed up the event to the police succinctly saying something like "two guys busted in with a gun, demanding my money, stating they were going to kill me and I, fearing for my life, shot them." Then, clam up, request to talk to your lawyer and let the police collect the evidence.
And, despite the fact that I enjoyed the video and found it highly informative, and that I am entirely supportive of the gentleman and his actions, the video should have been done with his lawyer's imput. While it seems unlikely that under KY's statues that a civil suit would have any merit, the family of the two perps could still initiate one, which would result in a lot of time and effort put forth to defend it. And, even if the statues allow for recovery of legal fees incurred in defending an unmeritorious civil suit, it still remains difficult to squeeze the proverbial "blood out of a turnip" if the plaintiffs don't have any assets.
I hope everything works out well for him!
 
Thank god Kentucky has castle doctrine and those 2 scumbags' families can't try to inflict legal repercussions on this man.

He did what he had to do. I hope if anyone I know (myself included) is involved in a situation like this, they will handle it like Mr. Jackson.
 
What would most likely happen to the defender in some other states, i.e. California, MA or NY?

I suspect that to first ask for an attorney could be a very good decision.
But if the basic facts became clear during an investigation, and if he were to be charged and went in front of a jury, would they be suspicious knowing that his first comments were to ask for an attorney? I have no idea how to generalize about this.

Knowing little about the law this was very interesting and shooting might help other wannabe criminals to think twice-but maybe not.
 
Louisville is my where my news stations are out of. The only thing I have seen on the families of the victims is that one of the guys wasn't even supposed to be town and that they were shocked that he was involved with something like this. The kid wasn't in trouble in school and was, over all, a pretty good kid. They feel like he got tangle up in the wrong crowd. We know we here that all the time but this seemed to have a little truth to it according to a friend of mine that new more then the news told about the case.

They payed the price for bad decisions.

The one with the gun was wanted for several other things.
 
Most legal experts would tell one not to speak to the police until your attorney is present. That does not mean "Never talk to the Police" It means talk to the Police with your attorney present. While this gentleman was very eloquent in his telling of what happened I don't believe I would be giving an interview as soon after the incident as this gentleman did. I find no fault with his defensive actions. He saved his life and probably the life of his wife, I doubt the criminals would have let the witness live if indeed they had taken his life. However, to give an interview this soon could lead to difficulties if prosecutor were looking for discrepancies in the story with the retelling.
With that said, Mr. Jackson is a hero.
 
I saw that video yesterday. I think faking the heart attack to gain precious time and access the weapon was a pretty smart thing to do.
This case was pretty cut and dry but most of the times I don't think talking to the media is a good idea.
The journalist seamed rather objective but how many times do you see interviews cut and twisted just to increase a station's ratings?
 
Has there been any follow up with the criminals family? Are they seeking a civil suit? Mr. Jackson, IMHO, should be immune to any civil suit, but I don't think that's always the case.
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Mr. Jackson ought to file a pre-emptive lawsuit against the families of the two thugs for putting him in that unenviable position...
 
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What would most likely happen to the defender in some other states, i.e. California, MA or NY?
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Very few people know, including people living in MA and LTC holders alike, that MA has had code for twenty or thirty years that shields victims from any liability arising from the use of force in their home in self-defense. Further, there is no duty to retreat in MA if a person is attacked in their home, as long as they are a license holder.

Had this incident happened in MA, the complainant would be in no way whatsoever in jeopardy of being charged with a crime.

I'm having a hard time imaging a LE officer owning or carrying a Tec-9.
 
I'm thankful this didn't happen here in Illinois. He would either be dead, or in jail, charged with a felony for having a concealed weapon. He's a good man. I wish him all the best.
 
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