Centerfire Systems S&W Model 10 38 Special

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Does anyone have any advice about these police trade in pistols before I order one?
They are $300.00.
The pictures don't look bad. Can't find one at a gun show.
If I get no advice here I will order same and post pictures here either bragging or crying about the product. THanks
 
Don't know about those specifically but used Model 10s in good mechanical condition are not a rarity where I live. Not long ago I bought 2 former security guard M10s for $100 each in a private sale.

You can do much better in a private sale than $300.
 
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Seems a bit pricey (plus add in shipping, taxes, and FFL fees at your end), and I would much rather check out a used revolver in person. Picked up an older Model 10 with a 5" barrel a few years back at a local gun show (private sale). Needed some Hoppes No.9 and a little elbow grease but cleaned up very nicely. Think I had somewhere around $230 in it. Got a WWII era M&P .38 Special the next day at the show for about the same money (another private deal). You can probably find something priced very similar to these locally at gun shops and gun shows.
 
I know a guy who bought one, and it was in excellent condition - but the seller doesn't grade them, you pays your money and takes your chances. I just wonder where they are coming from. Figured the PDs had switched to semiautos quite awhile back.
 
I have a show coming up on the 25/26th. Actually 2 shows in central Michigan. Model 10's were once common, but they are getting rare. If I can't score one at the shows I'll go ahead and get the only one available on line. At any rate I'll make pictures of my purchase for the board.
 
I have a few that are in real good condition, but I’ve also passed on some that were pretty beat up. All you can do online is ask questions and hope the seller is honorable.
 
Does anyone have any advice about these police trade in pistols before I order one?
They are $300.00.
The pictures don't look bad. Can't find one at a gun show.
If I get no advice here I will order same and post pictures here either bragging or crying about the product. THanks

You probably know this, but may not. The guns I've seen of that batch have non-pinned non-tapered barrels. Not quite as desirable as pinned and tapered, but shouldn't make any difference as a shooter. Non original grips, but (again) no big deal for a shooter and may be more comfortable than the original grips to some people.

My opinion is that $299.99 is a good deal for that gun IF it's in decent condition mechanically, and even cosmetically. I don't mean no scratches, I just mean not a 65% gun. Even heavily worn model 10's still tend to shoot well, though. The problem is they don't seem to show you a picture of the exact gun you're buying. Good luck.
 
That is a pretty good price if it's sound mechanically and the finish is decent. Do they at least guarantee that it functions properly?

I have rolled the dice on several similar deals over the years and have always ended up with a functional firearm. I always figure that it probably wouldn't have been turned in and sold if it didn't at least function.
 
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They are supposed to be checked out as functional. I have no trouble believing that part. The questionable part is "what is left of the finish." Jim NE you are the man- my sentiments exactly. If the gun turns out to be a POS I will post it here. IF I am happy with it, I will post it here. In any event I will post pictures of the beast.
Speaking of the beast, I need to change my avatar wiener dog picture to my other wiener dog picture. These are my children- they are just like kids-a pain in the butt!
 
I think I would rather have one of the DAO 64s that Buds has. Just a couple dollars more and they are stainless. Of course, this presumes you want a DAO revolver. If you're buying it as a defensive gun you will be shooting it DA anyway.
 
I still have the model 10 heavy barrel that I was issued the last week of 1973.... It's an outstanding piece - but not particularly rare or valuable. I've kept it over the years more from sentimental value than anything else - but it does have a glass smooth action (single or double) and is still utterly reliable - no matter what the circumstances. When semi-auto pistols were finally allowed on my agency, and many others (early eighties) the market was flooded with used service revolvers (of every make) to the point that you couldn't give them away. Years later, folks began to consider them for their collections - but they're still the basic no frills model (no adjustable sight to get out of adjustment and the heavy barrel to aid in double action shooting...).

As most have said - make sure you can actually examine the piece before any purchase since many saw very hard use (and not always as a firearm...). By the way, I also owned several model 64's during that same time frame (both a four inch and a two inch). Every stainless revolver I ever had would tend to bind a bit when it got hot during an extended course of fire... No matter how hot the basic blue steel model got (the model 10) it never changed it's action in any way....
 
I still have the model 10 heavy barrel that I was issued the last week of 1973.... It's an outstanding piece - but not particularly rare or valuable. I've kept it over the years more from sentimental value than anything else - but it does have a glass smooth action (single or double) and is still utterly reliable - no matter what the circumstances. When semi-auto pistols were finally allowed on my agency, and many others (early eighties) the market was flooded with used service revolvers (of every make) to the point that you couldn't give them away. Years later, folks began to consider them for their collections - but they're still the basic no frills model (no adjustable sight to get out of adjustment and the heavy barrel to aid in double action shooting...).

As most have said - make sure you can actually examine the piece before any purchase since many saw very hard use (and not always as a firearm...). By the way, I also owned several model 64's during that same time frame (both a four inch and a two inch). Every stainless revolver I ever had would tend to bind a bit when it got hot during an extended course of fire... No matter how hot the basic blue steel model got (the model 10) it never changed it's action in any way....


Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never had a problem with a stainless Ruger or S&W binding on me. S&W moved the gas ring in some models to prevent that, and I don't think Rugers ever had the issue. Actually, I've heard of this only in .357 S&W's, not in .38's, which generate less heat. What ammo was your agency issuing?
 
For range purposes my old agency always used the absolutely cheapest, dirtiest, wadcutter reloads (the kind of ammo that just working it into each cylinder could be a problem at times...). My recollection is that along with being the cheapest possible junk it was believed that if you could handle the stuff at the range you could work with quality ammo on the street just fine.... No, it was not a fun time to be a young cop...

As you can guess most of us all those years ago were tickled pink when we were finally allowed to purchase our own semi-autos... In later years with a complete administration change we were actually equipped with high quality Sig weapons. The agency I worked for was the kind of place that hired guys who had been fired by other departments when I first started in 1973... in later years we morphed into the first nationally accredited local department in Dade county... Quite a change.
 
The die is cast. Gun ships from CENTERFIRE SYSTEMS Monday and I should have it Wednesday and will publish extensive pictures of it here. Neck is stuck out $300 worth on this one. Groan!
 
This went downhill fast. I noticed they have free shipping this week so I called in the order Saturday. The young lady said it would ship Monday. By Tuesday I had not received shipping info on it yet so I called them. The man said the order did not go through because the security code on my credit card was wrong. I asked how it could be wrong as the young lady never asked for it. He took my code. Today is Wednesday. I called and the lady said it was shipped and the trace number supplied was for the U.S. Post Office.......... say what? Shipping a pistol by the post office? The post office says it should deliver to my dealer by Friday. This is a new one on me. I had an FFl for 22 years and never heard of USPS shipping pistols. Go figure.
 
With a few exceptions, police revolvers seldom wear out, since they are usually carried a lot and shot a little. Even guns used on the range or in training will seldom be worn out. Still, I like to see what I am buying, so prefer to at least get a look at a gun before loading up a check and firing dollars at an unseen target.

Jim
 
If it's a 10 and after the dash is an even number, it's a heavy barrel. $300 for any revolver roll marked S&W is the base price now days. If you won't pay $300 somebody else will. When they print the online USPS label it's listed as "shipped" even though the PO hasn't picked it up yet.
 
Well here it is. Yes it is a dash 10. Holster wear is what I expected. Rubber grips are not my favorite, but replacements are available. Trigger is excellent. Gun arrived dirty. Someone run a box of shells thru it and traded it in. The bore has the weakest rifling I have ever seen. Looks like someone shot plated bullets thru it. Plated with grinding compound. Cylinder to forcing cone fit is super snug. Locks up tight. I am happy with Centerfire Systems pig in a poke sale. Lets see if I can dump 11 pictures right here.
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The ugly engraving under the trigger guard is probably some kind of police department cop recognition code.?????
 
"California Department of Corrections" ??
I doubt that. I think California mandates that they be destroyed, but not positive. Colorado or Connecticut would be more likely.
Either way, the gun looks in pretty nice condition and a department of corrections gun probably doesn’t have very many rounds through it.
 
Thanks, POPEYE, for your comments.
If my weather warms up soon, we will try it for accuracy. The shallow rifling may surprise me, who knows it may be normal. One of my most accurate rifles, a Winchester model 69A, has shallow rifling and is a real tack driver.
I shopped a model 10-2 a few weeks ago and they wanted $400 for it. That's somewhat steep for an old classic Smith collector like me.
 
I doubt that. I think California mandates that they be destroyed, but not positive. Colorado or Connecticut would be more likely.

Not necessarily.

I had a "CDC" marked 64-2 snub that was a California department of corrections surplused pistol.

They might mandate that now, but who knows how long those M10's have sat in storage before being released for sale.

Someone after watching what happened with gov surplused Krag's and Garands and 1911's prices may have bought a lot of those M10's decades ago for cheap and sat on them until recently while market prices rised.
 
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