Change in Russian Gun Laws

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Russians can now carry guns for ‘self-defense’

Russians can now carry guns for ‘self-defense’


In a surprise move. Russia now allows citizens to carry guns for self defense purposes. Places that are off limits will be places that serve alcohol, places where demonstrations and protests take place and educational institutions. Self defense weapons are described as pistols, revolvers, smooth bore long guns (I guess they mean shotguns), and even Tasers and teargas devices.

If only we can get New Jersey, Maryland and Hawaii to adopt Russian carry laws.....(as strange as that sounds).

http://rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/



"Russian gun licenses are to be renewed every five years, and applicants face strict background checks and are required to take gun safety courses. The addendum to the law now lists self-defense as a legally acceptable reason for carrying a weapon. "
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It remains to be seen under what criteria these licenses are to be issued. I somehow don't think that Russian gun licenses will be "shall issue." I'm sure they will go to Putin's favored few. (In the same manner as in U.S. states like N.Y., Maryland, etc.)

Self defense weapons are described as pistols, revolvers, smooth bore long guns (I guess they mean shotguns), and even Tasers and teargas devices.
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This is consistent with the hierarchy of weapons in many parts of the world, where rifles are considered more "threatening" than handguns. (For example, in Greece, handguns are available under highly restrictive licensing, whereas rifled long guns -- above .22 cal. -- are absolutely prohibited.) The rationale for this, I think, is that rifles in the hands of civilians and dissident groups present more of a challenge to the regime.

In contrast, in the English-speaking world (U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, etc.) handguns are seen as more of a "threat" than rifles. Perhaps this is because, historically, there haven't been serious attempts to overthrow the governments of those countries. Guns then become a "crime problem" rather than an existential problem of survival of the government.
 
Russia is making a lot of pro liberty moves under Putin rule. But some people just can't get the Commie Russia memories out of their memory banks. Let me give you a question? What country do you think those commies focused on when the iron curtain fell?
 
Russia is making a lot of pro liberty moves under Putin rule.
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I've often thought that some time around 1995 Space Aliens swapped the brains of Russian and US leaders :)

What country do you think those commies focused on when the iron curtain fell?
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No doubt the current POTUS would make Eugene V. Debs proud.
 
The headline reads "Putin Just Gave All Russians the Right to Carry a Rifle Anywhere".
This underscores a major flaw in the thinking of the antis, namely, that rights are granted by the government. I a privilege is given by the government, it can just as easily be taken away.
 
Somethings a brewin' in Russia.

General Zima may be particularly harsh this year.
 
"You can get a lot more done with politeness and a weapon than with politeness alone." Vladimir P.

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Russia is no longer communist and they seem to be putting the US to shame when it comes to protecting the interests of their citizens these days.

I have to admit this one surprises me but keep in mind the Russians never had a national guard and in times of emergency armed their citizens.

I like this and even though these days it is said they are considering forming a national guard it probably won't come to pass. I like that and lets hope they stay armed.

Maybe Russia like Switzerland who's constitution is based on ours and is ,absolutely, positively, without a doubt, a country that takes much more seriously and practices American constitutional values more than America does will be another non american country that recognizes and practices constitution values more than America.

It gives a new meaning to upholding and defending the constitution of the United States.
 
itshow you hide troop movements from foreign press agents.

suddenly let every citizen carry a rifle in public, and suddenly the column of 50000 men carrying rifles over their shoulder walking in the direction of say crimea is just a "pep rally for nature lovers who like to hike"
 
Dr T said:
Interesting change:

Russians are now allowed to carry rifles in public for self defense.

See http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120326/kremlin-allows-russians-carry-guns
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HAHAHAHAHAcoughcoughcoughchokegasp!

I'm not laughing so much at the "Russians can carry rifles for self-defense" aspect as I am about Julie Ioffe's concern that an older woman would have shot a journalist for wearing a T-Shirt with Snoopy waving a British flag on it if only she had a rifle slung over her shoulder!

"One very telling incident: a young Russian journalist was slapped by an older woman on the metro for wearing a shirt with Snoopy holding a British flag. Imagine if the woman had a rifle slung over her shoulder."

Oh, this lady's a FINE journalist, indeed!


As for Putin's quote: "You can get a lot more done with politeness and a weapon than with politeness alone", this has been around a long time and is often attributed to Al Capone in one of two or three forms (though this has never been verified):

"You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone."

It's a recycled saying, nothing new.

:):)


If there's anything to actually be alarmed about, it would be more along the lines of "Putin is arming the general population". Even if only by a small degree by allowing citizens to carry long guns they currently own.
 
Most unfortunately, headlines are utter BS, generated by journalists who don't know a thing

basically, we Russians can carry only LESS-LETHAL weapons for self-defense - various tear- and pepper-gas cans without any license, and certain rubber-bullet handguns (so called "traumatic" guns) with special license.

Long guns CAN NOT be carried for purpose of self-defense, but can be used for home defense, provided you can justify use of lethal force and is a licensed & registered gun owner.
And to justify the use of lethal force is a very hard thing under existing Russian law practices :(
 
Max has it. There has been no change in what Russians can or can not carry, possess, or own, and rifles have never been "on the table" for general carry about the streets.

The only change was the addition of "self-defense" as a possible reason to carry what has already been permitted to carry, possess, or own for other purposes (hunting, target practice, etc.)

Extensive registration, training, and licensing laws still apply. With the possible exception of New Jersey (which considers all of the non-lethal options Russians have as "firearms"), Russian firearms laws remain far more restrictive than those in any of the States.
 
Russian firearms laws remain far more restrictive than those in any of the States
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This is almost true
probably the one exception where we are a little better off than you 'mericans is lack of statement that "once a machine gun, always a machine gun"
Therefore, we can buy original DP-27 machine guns, AKM rifles and PPSh subguns converted to semi-auto only and registered as "hunting" rifles.

As of now, an original AKM from early 1970s, in good conditions, with internal alterations to semi-auto, is worth about US $500-600; converted PPSh-41 is between $700 and $1000.
 
splattergun wrote:

This underscores a major flaw in the thinking of the antis, namely, that rights are granted by the government. If a privilege is given by the government, it can just as easily be taken away.
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To put this another way, anything that is subject to a license is not a "right." It's a "privilege." The difference between the U.S. and Russia, regarding guns, is that the U.S. has a constitutional provision that at least talks about a "right" (although it is violated in practice).

All the people, in America, crowing about the wide availability of "shall-issue" licenses, etc., are missing the point. By acquiescing to any kind of licenses, they are admitting that there is no "right." Only a few states (Vermont, etc.) are not hypocritical about this.
 
SleazyRider, no it doesn't. ;)

That's because the statement about Russian gun laws being better than those in those states simply isn't true. It was written by someone who fell into the headline's hype without actually reading about Russian gun laws.

(But it's close!)
 
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...and we had this right since late 1990s)
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.. which should probably read:

...and we have had this special, government-granted privilege since the late 1990's.
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A "right" needs no license.

Thanks for being on THR, Max. Being married to a Russian who maintains strong ties to her family there and culture, I am always interested in hearing more about what goes on there. :)
 
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