Charles Schumer-S436-will increase the people who are barred from owning guns

[Carl N. Brown]

Some employers reject prospective employees who test positive for prescription drugs--even if they have a medical reason.

Yes, if you are prescribed painkillers, there are some jobs you should not apply for, but a lot of folks I know think "drug test" = illegal drugs. One strike, failed drug test, and they would not be allowed to own a gun? Who could be that unreasonable? Oh, Charlie.

 

[alsaqr]

S. 436 had two co-sponsors and it is going nowhere. The senate majority leader has done a good job of keeping gun control proposals off the senate floor.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:1:./temp/~bdya03:@@@P|/home/LegislativeData.php|

 

[oneounceload]

The antis will keep plugging and sneak anything they can through anyway possible.

They have it's called the Health Care bill - there's a lot of things in there, against guns and more, that have nothing to do with health care

 

[Ole Coot]

Place the blame where it belongs. The people keep voting him in so in my opinion the majority of the people agree with him and his elitist attitudes. If you didn't vote for him, great. If you did you got what you wanted and if you really want a change vote and campaign against him vigorously.

 

[Black Butte]

You may want to cite your tag phrase instead of taking credit for it yourself, as you did not write it. The author was Richard Hofstadter a Columbia University professor who joined the Communist party and declared that he "hate capitalism and everything that goes with it."

In reading some of your posts, I noticed also that a good portion of them stand in opposition to the spirit of the Second Amendment and the civilian ownership of firearms. For example, your posts on the following threads are suspect:

Here is an interesting read about the "Gun Walker" scandal

Why should I re-join the NRA?

 

[Black Butte]

My post above is directed to Azmjs.

 

[eastbank]

i worked road construction most of my life and was drug tested when going on all federal funded jobs for the last 20 years i worked, at one job site i was piss tested and the women giving the test said after checking the results that i should not be walking as i failed all 5 drug panels, i said i don,t do drugs at all and she said i,ll give you another test,that i passed. later i found out that they used a out dated test(did,t want to waste them) and if you failed and wanted another test, they used a newer test on you to make sure you were drug free. talk about lame brains. eastbank.

 

[1stmarine]

The purpose and the methods are wrong. Accepting this would be like suspending someone driver's license because they didn't pass what is at best an arbitrary and controversial test. In this example if someone gave positive this wouldn't mean that the person was going to be driving under the influence. Private companies can put whatever 'extra' conditions for a job they want (with limits) but public offices can't.

What Schumer and this workaround he is proposing is just another example about his quest for disarming the defenseless population. I am going to send him a letter and them call him at least a dozen times. I am also calling another representatives about this Gestapo style type of tactics.

Constitutional rights must be kept aside from politics.

Any representative, any party that proposes a law that is in a direct collision course with any constitution amendments must be trashed immediately. That is the message that must be sent clear and loud to any politician and law maker of any party. Also to any military and law enforcement that might be invited to participate in any seizures, arrests or activities of any kind without proof and/or the proper warrants they need to understand they have the right to say "NO". I will not obey that order. If they do they might be found liable later on even if they were following an order.
Not long ago in American history a Sheriff in some areas could order the deputies to go and beat up a congregation of folks due to their skin color.
Even recently we had Americans locked into a compound against their will. Many citizens do not even realize how serious this is...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaINT2mj27Q

Also citizens must do their part and show a little post disaster etiquette and help each other but we are not going to avoid the situation that among all the population in such emergency we are also have criminals.

I am amazed the civil approach and great organization skills Japan showed after such devastation recently. There is a lot to be learn as citizens about how to proceed after a cataclysm like that.

I see all the time folks bitchin' about the 2nd amendment and some are actually doing something but what worries me the most is not the 2nd or any other but the whole basic rights and where politicians are taking this country and the same other democratic countries in Europe.

As citizens we have relaxed and gave the politicians and walstreet CEO's too much importance and power and now we are paying the price.

Everyone should ask him or herself, what have I done specifically besides protesting in an online forum? Even myself I wasn't happy about my previous attitude so I created this post so people can contribute with ideas...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=559899

Socrates, the father of democracy already warned how Democracy can be the source for Tirany if left unchecked.

Like the singer sting (the police) says in one of his songs... "History, will teach us nothing".

 

[rajb123]

Chuck Schumer is my Senator from NY.

I write him a few times per month and he never does what I ask.

Anyway, I assume this bill will not advance. It seems too restrictive and new gun laws are not a government priority right now.

 

[cavman]

Today:

* Felonies
* Mental Illnesses
* Dishonorable discharges
* Domestic Violence "convictions"
* Unlawful drug use (Whatever the hell that means)

I would like a list of Felonies. It seems that the bar to become a felon keeps getting lower and lower as "get tough" politicians who what to show that "they mean it!" keep adding what used to be misdemeanors to the felony rosters.

(But I could be completely wrong here as well)

I have had conversations with people who don't believe that it doesn't only take a murdering. kidnapping, school bus burning convict to lose your 2nd amendment rights. But not really knowing how easy or not it is to be charged with a Felony, the topic pretty much ends there.

 

[Danb1215]

I don't think that even the internet has enough space to list all of the things that can be a felony in the United States. Think of the criminal justice system as any other profit seeking company, they're just dying to get more people in the door. And the prohibited persons list just keeps on growing.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

The antis will keep plugging and sneak anything they can through anyway possible.

I just hate it when any politician (Republican or Democrat) tries to sneak something by me in the public record that is available for all to see. It is so sneaky, this bill, that it is posted about everywhere and was posted back on MARCH 25 on the NRA ILA website and as usual, the NRA was late and it preceding them by weeks elsewhere.
http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=6494
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-436
http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011/03/s-436-schumers-latest-gambit.html

 

[LKB3rd]

It's far too easy to have a false positive. People have frequently tested positive for opiate usage after eating a bagel or other food that contains poppy seeds.

This happened to me exactly. I had an egg sandwich on a poppy seed bagel, and tested positive for opiates.
Those of you trying to be logical aren't getting the fact that Shumer and others like him don't care about logic, they care about disarming as many people as possible.

 

[rajb123]

Schumer and gun-grabber Hillary CLinton were best buddies in the Senate. What do you expect from Chuck Schumer of NY?

 

[Johnny_Come_Lately]

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA et al. v. HELLER​

certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the district of columbia circuit​

No. 07-290. Argued March 18, 2008--Decided June 26, 2008​

Held:
2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56.

I Just finished reading the decision of the SUPREME COURT. In all the pages, this section is the ONLY section that comes close to saying who can and cannot own an "arm" as defined by the 2A.

So Chuckie, I guess just as the Chigacoland City Council who had their collective behinds handed to them by the 7th US Court of Appeals, are you trying to enact some unconstitutional law? Oops, that's like asking a question that I already know the answer to.

:banghead:

 

[rajb123]

Mr. Schumer often tries to enact laws that are not constitutional. For example, Obamacare has a provision requiring citizens to purchase health insurance. I strongly suspect this one will eventually be overturned by the Supremes.

When will the Supremes write in plain English?

"The Court's opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms ..."

Who writes this "stuff" anyway?

 

[Johnny_Come_Lately]

When will the Supremes write in plain English?

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with.....

 

[cbrgator]

When will the Supremes write in plain English?

Today's opinions are remarkably clear if you compare them to opinions from the early 1900's and anytime before. Read any opinion by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes. They might as well be Beowulf.

 

[1stmarine]

I find this kind of funny ".... finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54-56."

Unusual I can understand but dangerous? That is the whole purpose of a firearm. Who wants to carry a harmless firearm?

Schumer is delusional. He and some of his NY buddies have wet dreams about disarming the entire population and leave them defenseless.

 

[Owen Sparks]

First they came for the pot smokers but I did not smoke pot...

 

[DarthPaddy]

The "distinguished" Senior Senator from New York needs 60 votes to bring his bill to the floor for a vote. He does not have 60 votes.

 

[Colonel]

Interesting proposed violation of property rights (SCOTUS has ruled we have them).

Yeah ... they've ruled that we have them, but that they don't mean jack split.

 

[anomoly40]

So, half the politicians can't own guns?

 

[Ole Coot]

Chuck Schumer is a waste. Without making anyone mad might I just ask "Why do the people keep re-electing HIM"? I have never heard anything good about the man except arrogance and he knows what is good for me. I don't understand, does he have that much left, gun grabbing ignorant support? I just don't see Americans keeping him in an elected office. Career politicians I don't care for.