Charter Arms 9mm Federal

[Nicodemus38]

1. this is not a firearm to carelessly alter in any way. its a special thing in wich it was a reversion of rimless round to "outdated" rimmed round.

if the cartridge spaces on the case mouth, you can simply cut the cases longer. that works.
if it spaces on the rim, you have one very very simple option. and its something ive contemplated doing with a standard moonclipped semi auto caliber revovler.

buy a few dozen slightly damaged moonclips in your caliber of need.
seperate the "rims" from eachother
slide them onto the case you want to use. and either insert them into the
little extraction groove normally found above the rim on a revolver
round. Or directly up to the base of the rim/case wall junction.
do one round that way, and try it for fit in the chamber. if it fires properly,
do an entire box of ammo like that, and fire them off to check the pin protrusion is correct for each chamber.

if you try that, itll save alot of anguish you may have for "i dont want handloads for sd", even the "outdated" 38 sw loads on the commercial market still can do 150-180 fpe in a 4" barrel.

 

[clang]

I still have a box of 9mm Federal that was given to me by the guy I bought a 9mm Ruger Speed Six from. He was under the impression that 9mm Federal was the only round that would work in this gun.

I picked up some 1/2 moon clips from Ruger and can fire 9mm Parabellum without any issues. I also picked up some full moon clips from moonclips.com, but they were a little too thick and cause binding issues.

If I was you, I would see if the S&W 940 or Taurus moon clips and 9mm Parabellum will work in your gun. If not, maybe moonclips.com might have Charter Arms moonclips.

I was under the impression that the 9mm Federal round is to 9mm Parabellum what the 45 Auto Rim is to 45ACP. They are an alternative for someone to use their revolver designed to used moonclipped rimless ammo without the moonclips.

 

[Huaco1]

clang
you interested in off-loading that box of 9mm fed?

Nic
what you are saying is to essentially make "single round" moon clips for each hole in the cylinder?

 

[Nicodemus38]

yes the idea i propose Huaco1 is to take an old worn out moon clip, and cut it into sections so as to create individual moonclips for each single round. ive proposed the idea before to various gunsmiths in the past and they had a hard time comprehending it.

just another idea i should have put a patent on.

 

[natman]

yes the idea i propose Huaco1 is to take an old worn out moon clip, and cut it into sections so as to create individual moonclips for each single round. ive proposed the idea before to various gunsmiths in the past and they had a hard time comprehending it.

just another idea i should have put a patent on.

How would you get the clips off the fired cases?

 

[WC145]

How would you get the clips off the fired cases?

Really pointy needle nose pliers.
I don't think it will work, not enough space without recessing the cylinder face around the charge holes. And like I said before, it won' do any good to machine the cylinder to accept moonclips if none of the existing moonclips would fit. This gun was too inexpensive and obscure for anyone to put the effort into such conversions so there are no Charter Arms specific moonclips available.

 

[Nicodemus38]

the individual moonclip can work. however i do admit that, as the gun is not designed to take moonclips at the moment, you would need to trim them down. heck, it wouldnt be hard to get thin sheet metal, and a metal punch set and make a crap load of properly sized ones your self.
im just saying, its not going to be an easy task.

other thoughts,

-have you tried trying to see if a cylinder from a taurus 9mm revolver will work? or any other cylinder will work in the gun? shouldnt be hard to get an old worn out taurus or rossi or charter cylinder and have it cut to length for your gun.

-charter is introducing the new revolver for standard 9mm. its rumored that the cylinder and extraction system would work in the old 9mm federal guns.

heck, if ya like old antique books from before you were born, ill take it from ya.