Cheapest 12 gauge pump that works?

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oneounceload said:
And the less we buy from there, the more reasons folks have to start making things here again........ you do what you feel is best.....hope your job isn't one that is affected.
I'll take my Mossberg over a chinese copy.......
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Like the Maverick 88 that is being recomended here in multiple posts? Made in Mexico and put together in Texas?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_Maverick

How about the Stevens(Savage) 320 Security? China.
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2014/7/7/stevens-320-security/

Not to mention many other US brands with Turkish, Italian, Philippine, Serbian, Russian, ect made guns. If you want to pick one apart pick them all. JMHO:rolleyes:

Theres no shame buying one of these guns if this is what you can afford. What about owning any of the other good to excellent quality foreign made firearms today? It is what it is. A very good shotgun and better than some of it's competitors.
 
I really could care less where it is made, but I do want a new gun.

I've heard a lot of good reviews on the Maverick 88. Right now, it's between that and the Pardner Protector 12 gauge pump. Looks sharp.
 
I'd vote for finding a used 870, 500 or maverick. If anything breaks, you'd have no issue finding parts.

I've had a h&r pardner pump, and while very close to an 870, I don't know which parts really interchange. Sure, I've read about things like stocks and forends. I even had a barrel spacer so 870 barrels would fit, but never used it. What I haven't seen, is anything showing other parts interchangability- would a bolt swap with an 870 bolt. Other parts. I did have to clean up the chambers a bunch since shells would stick after firing. Anyways, just my thoughts.
 
Scooter22 said:
Remington and Marlin, Remlin made...........questionable. NORINCO, parent of the Pardner... SKS, AK47 and all sorts of modern MILSPEC equipment knows how to make thinks that work. Maybe not pretty but work. As far as the "Buy China". We all do someway, somewhere unless your living under a rock with all your 50s stuff. The Pardner I have and most of the reviewers find them a great shotgun. Plus Remington owns the manufacturer of them. I'll take mine any day. JMHO
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well, i buy a lot of things that are made in china, however my life does not, and never will, depend on any of them while there is any reasonable alternative.
 
Like the Maverick 88 that is being recomended here in multiple posts? Made in Mexico and put together in Texas?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_Maverick

How about the Stevens(Savage) 320 Security? China.
http://www.shootingillustrated.com/a...-320-security/

Not to mention many other US brands with Turkish, Italian, Philippine, Serbian, Russian, ect made guns. If you want to pick one apart pick them all. JMHO
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Fine, I wouldn't buy one of those for HD either when the 500 or 870, made HERE, is in the same ballpark.

well, i buy a lot of things that are made in china, however my life does not, and never will, depend on any of them while there is any reasonable alternative.
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Well said!
 
MIL-DOT said:
I've been helping a freind hunt down a 12g pump lately, and saw a maverick 88 on Armslist locally for $200, but then someone told me that Academy had the Maverick 88's for around $179 or 189.
There was (may still be) a very clean Mossberg 590A1 for $425 on my local Armslsit (wished I had the bucks to spare). There was another 590A1 not long before that that I believe the guy was asking $450 for.
The point is, check your local used market, I've doing doing great on mine over the last couple years (buying,selling and trading).
That's the FIRST place I'd check for a budget shotgun.
By the way, I'm envious of that $100 Ithaca somebody posted earlier. I'm always reading how these things can be found that cheap, but I have NEVER seen a decent one any where near that low, and I'bve been on the lookout for a couple decades now (wanting to replace one that one of my brothers, um, ''misplaced":().
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I had one given to me, and purchased one from the shop I worked at at the time for $160.

I pass the given one on as a wedding present to a friend who needed an HD gun. The other one is my HD 12 ga.
 
I made a living working on machines that heat treat parts for drive trains for 8 years . Working closely with engineers and metallurgist. That has taught me not to trust chinese steel .
Most European guns are not unauthorized copy of guns made from around the world .
Also buying from Europe doesn't directly subsidize the Chinese military
I would rather have quality used, than new junk But that is just me
Roy
 
I think a lot of people are fooling themselves by thinking that buying Made in USA still doesn't support the Chinese.

For those of you with that mindset, please do not buy Ford, GM or Dodge cars and trucks.

Parts in many vehicles from these companies, while made in the USA, are still majority owned by a Chinese company. Follow the money. Oh, and a great deal of these parts are made on foreign equipment, also.
 
Just wanted to add about my experience with the pardner pump.

I bought it at a time when I needed a good hunting shotgun, but couldn't afford much. Local Cabelas had one on sale for under $200 and I was just able to afford it. I read a lot of glowing reviews online about it.

At first it wouldn't get through a box of shells without having several get stuck after firing. The chamber in the barrel had very rough machine marks and I used a dremel followed by steel wool to smooth things out.

It seemed to break in well enough over the next 500 rounds or so, before I sent it down the road. I did notice that the slide assembly (part #57) looked really worn and rounded, but I couldn't recall if I got it that way or if it just wore quick- which would be strange.

Anyway, I've yet to come across a detailed and verified report of the gun that's gone thousands of rounds. You can find that sort of thing all day with Mossbergs and Remingtons.

As I mentioned above, there's info online mentioning parts compatibility, but aside from stocks, what about the guts of the gun? Do the measurements match exactly, or are they "close enough"? Things like a mag spring and retaining cap might not be an issue, but other parts might be- shell latches, trigger assembly, ect.

If all you can swing is a PP, then by all means get it. I know what it's like to be strapped for cash. You might have some issues to work on, you might not. However, if for the same price or just a little more, you can get a Mossberg or a Remington, do so.
 
Another bump for the Mossberg Maverick. I've have more than one 870, great guns also. But I needed a cheap beater shotgun so I got the Marevick. I've hunted with it for years, shot skeet with it and I've always had good luck with it. High brass low brass 3 inch it all runs the same in it.
 
I would try to find a good used anything before I bought new. But if I was really on a budget and needed a home protection shotgun I would buy a used H&R single shot in 12 or 20 gauge for less than $100. Put a butt-cuff of ammo on it, go practice some point shooting and quick reloads. If the barrel was too long to maneuver in the house I would trim it down to 18-20 inches. I have a few siting around that I have those plans for.

Thats the most bang for the buck that you can get.
 
Aw guys!! I actually like Chinese things, like fried rice, crab Rangoon, etc. I also liked my old Norinco SKS (since sold off, stupidly) so don't have a problem buying Chinese guns.

I have also been tossing around the idea of a double barrel for home defense, most likely a Stoeger coach gun in 12 gauge with the 20" barrels. What do you guys think of that?
 
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The shooter matters far more than the gun.

See Clint Smith at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

WHATEVER you decide to use, GO SHOOT IT at the range till you are sure it works with the ammo you plan to use, and make sure you can run it when the pressure is on.

FWIW the bedisde gun here is a $150 (years back) used old style 870 Express (Wingmaster with a bead blasted finish) with a $60 used 18.5" barrel that had already had a XS BIG Dot front bead epoxied in place.

That and a couple of shotgun classes...
 
I've been shooting Remington 870's for years now and I have yet to see anything break on one. Some of the Express barrels may have some rough chambers but this is easily fixed by taking a drill and running a chamber hone in the barrel. If this is needed you'll only have to do this one time only and it only takes a minute. I typically go through 300 rds of ammo every time I go to the trap and skeet range. I've seen things break or wear out on semis and some cheap over/unders but this kind of high volume shooting doesn't phase the 870's. From what I've read a steel 870 receiver can go 250-275,000 rds before it cracks and becomes nonserviceable. An aluminum alloy Mossberg 500/590 receiver may have a shorter lifespan. That's still a lot of rounds though.
 
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