Chilean Mauser .308 Model 1895 safe to shoot?

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i just bought a Chilean Mauser .308 (7.62x51) Model 1895
its made in berlin germany
i think the original caliber was 7x57mm

is it safe to shoot?
with what ammo?

i have fn 7.62x51 ammo on belt in cans
and some federal .308 ammo for my g3 clone

i might buy low recoil .308 ammo for it
 
Last months RIFLE Magazine was chock full of Mauser info and I'm pretty sure the discussed the Chilean Mauser, sporterized versions, etc. For the life of me I can't remember what the upper pressure limit was?
 
There will likely be folks who say go ahead and shoot factory 308 in it, but IMO, the pre-98 small ring actions were not designed for 60,000+psi ammo.
The original 7x57 cartridge was around 45,000 psi.

i might buy low recoil .308 ammo for it

I think that would be much safer to use.


NCsmitty
 
Please post your experience with shooting your rifle. It sounds like it would be interesting.
 
Generally considered unsafe to shoot .308 Winchester through. Some of the rifles were rebored, then had a chamber insert brazed in place, and the pressure can start to cut away at the brazing, to say nothing of the action strength.
 
take to gunsmith, and if its good, then get you a kit and start handloading...use loads that stay below 45k and enjoy the light recoil. :)
 
You want to shoot your old Mauser safely and cheaply?

I cannot express just how fun the German plastic training ammunition is. It fires a very light plastic bullet at incredible speeds (up to around 4000 FPS from what I've read, yielding around 350 ft/lbs).

There's hardly any recoil, though you get all the blast and it's accurate to boot. I haven't shot them past 25 yards yet, but it prints very tight groups at those ranges. I understand that these will remain accurate out to (and possibly beyond) 100 yards.

A box of 50 runs around $7 to $8, a very appealing price to say the least.

One bit of warning though, at 25 yards these rounds remain quite lethal. I would imagine they are still dangerous beyond 100 yards. It will plow through a couple phone books or particle board of decent thickness with little effort.

They can be found at Southern Ohio Guns

Here's my 1916 Spanish Guardia with the ammunition mentioned:
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"Pulled" bullet and fired/expanded bullets:
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I shoot surplus 7.62 NATO through my 1916 Gaurdia Civil (1893 action originally chambered in 7x57). Just stay away from the hot stuff like South African and commercial 308. The reduced recoil stuff should work well.
 
Some confusion here....South African IS Nato milsurp, and it is not particularly hot. Commercial .308 is the same exact animal as 7.62x51 Nato, and depending on the individual manufacturer, it could be hotter or lighter than any particular flavor of 7.62 milsurp.
As stated correctly farther above, your 1895 is a small ring Mauser and I wouldn't shoot any factory .308/7.62 in it, just lightish hand loads.
 
These are old rifles made out of plain carbon steels, made in a time period when they did not even have phase diagrams for steel. The process controls of the period were primitive.

These old rifles have issues due to soft metals and poor heat treat. If you ever notice increasing difficulty in bolt lift, stop shooting the rifle. The headspace may be increasing due to setback with the receiver seats.

A bud I used to work with, he fired one round out of a 1895 rifle, it was in 7mm. The receiver top came off on the first shot.

I would not fire modern factory 308 ammunition as the stuff is loaded to pressure levels that exceed period 7mm loads.

I would roll my own. A load I use standing and sitting at 200 yards is a 168 SMK/Nosler/Hornady with 39.0 grains AA2495/IMR 4895/H4895.

308 26" Krieger Barrel

168 Nosler 39.0 grs AA2495, CAVIM 90 cases WLR
18 Aug 2002 T = 90 °F

Ave Vel =2532
Std Dev =20
ES = 84
Low = 2491
High = 2575
N=18

This is also a mild accurate load.


150 Sierra Matchking 39.0 grs IMR 4064 Lot 2449 LC67 CC#34
OAL 2.750"
30 April 2008 T = 71 °F

Ave Vel =2416
Std Dev =52
ES = 113
High = 2479
Low = 2366
N = 5

Always use quality brass, these actions do not handle gas well and the action may frag if you have a case head failure.
 
SlamFire1 first. Please post your experience from shooting later. Snowdog, is that plastic stuff very loud? I've seen SOG advertise it for years but never knew what it was. Century,too.
 
Vellocet, the German plastic training rounds are very loud and produce a very healthy muzzle blast/flash. Even though they're only 10gr slugs, they're supersonic several times over (some indicate around 4000 fps).

They do make for wonderfully inexpensive plinking ammunition. They will atomize a 12 can of disgusting Fresca at 20 yards and the POI is about the same as lead and copper fodder at that range. I understand they are accurate out to 100 yards. I haven't tested beyond 25 yards, but from what I'm getting now, I wouldn't doubt those claims.

The downside is they remain lethal for a good ways (though surely less than traditional ammunition) and are entirely too loud for back yard plinking if you have nearby neighbors. Also, for whatever reason, some rifles will exhibit issues ejecting the spent cases. They will feed, fire and extract just fine, but the extractor seems to drop the spent case before it contacts the ejector, so they tend to sit atop the rounds in the mag, requiring the user to tilt the rifle to spill it out the side.

Still, $7.99 for 50 rounds still seems like a good deal. I'm probably going to place another order of 1k though I still have more than 700 from the first 1k order. I don't think it's being made anymore and it's obviously destined to go the way of inexpensive 7.62x25 surplus ammunition: cheap and plentiful one day, expensive and scare the next.
 
I probably should have included this image as well. It's a slab of 3/4" plywood that was a shelf from an entertainment cabinet that I had to modify.

I was really expecting the rounds to dent the surface, a flawed presumption to say the least. I realized this when I saw the dirt from the berm behind the plywood kick up. Sure enough, the rounds were tearing through and plowing into the berm beyond.

These are great plinking rounds for reactive targets for those who don't feel completely comfortable putting 7.62x51 ball through their old rechambered Mausers (or Enfields) or just want something with extremely mild recoil.

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SlamFire1 first. Please post your experience from shooting later.

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I shoot the loads I posted in Highpower competition at 100 yards reduced courses and at 200 yards for standing and sitting.

I don't get to take my XTC targets home, seldom get to photograph a group because the target is usually pasted over before I get into the pitts.

So I have these 100 yard reduced targets.

They shoot well

Prone SF 20 shots

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Prone RF, 20 shots

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Prone SF 20 shots.

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It is a real bugger when you shoot a 200-11X prone rapid, but mess up prone SF by shooting a 198-10X.
 
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