"Chippy" The Sea Lion

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Well, as much as some of you could care less if animals get killed for "fun", you have to admit it is a sad thing that happened. If someone wants to kill something, shoot it with enough gun to kill it instantly. Nothing, especially an innocent animal, should be made to suffer in pain. Go ahead all you hunters, let me have it.:neener:

GT
 
That is sad,

Actually, I think ALL hunters would agree. We hunters are not the sadistic people we are made out to be. I, for one, try for the quickest kill possible. If it comes down to any question in my mind whether I can take said animal quickly or not, I'll err on the side of caution and forgoe the shot.
 
Although I am not a hunter, I agree that most would not want to see an animal suffer at their hands. I think that whoever this sea lion had to deal with was just an *******. Instead of "using enough gun", why can't people use enough brain? I think I should stop before I get pissed. It's too early for that. :cuss: :cuss: :mad:

Peace out.
 
Tain't nothing wrong with dropping the hammer on an animal.... under the right circumstances. Us hunter types just cut out the middleman. We do our own killin' instead of letting Tyson foods, ADM et al do it for us.

Hunting, LEGAL hunting is a valid and effective method of controlling animal populations. Hunters pump millions and millions of dollars into habitat protection every year with the $$$$'s produced by hunting license purchases. The Pittman-Robertson Act put an excise tax on the purchase of sporting goods equipment and that money too goes to supporting wildlife in America.
An attempt was made not long ago to put the same sort of tax on binoculars in an effort to get birdwatchers and other outdoor enthuthiasts to ante up and help pay for their hobby. Interestingly enough, they resisted it.

Hunters have done more to protect wildlife in America than any other group, but they are the first to be demeaned and slandered in the environmental debate.

A few years back, I had a little debate with a niece and nephew about the merits of hunting. High school age at the time, they thought hunting and killing animals was an abomination and totally wrong. Course, they were doing their debating between bites of meatloaf. :)

Tim
 
Course, they were doing their debating between bites of meatloaf.
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I hope that ?????? who shot Chippy gets his real soon.

yea, count the question marks for effect.... :cuss:
 
IMHO seals are a massive nuisance and should be legal to hunt. They are like seagulls, heavily protected vermin. I've always kinda wanted to hunt the aquatic mammals, esp walrus. Of course, I'd also apply for a job as a baby seal clubber if the position still existed Stateside. :p
 
Reminder: While we may disagree, we do it in a civil manner.

Myself, why wasn't the CHP officer on the carpet for having an unauthorized mascot?
 
Chances are, the person who shot at Chippy wasn't shooting for "fun" at all, and that it's not a hunting thing, but a fishing thing.

Ask any commercial fisherman how many thousands of dollars of fish are lost each year to seals and sea lions. The answer is, too durn much for any hard working sailor to make a decent profit. Most of these guys hate sea lions with a not-unjustified passion, because the seals follow behind the boats and poach fish right off the lines just as you're reeling 'em in.

Years ago, it was legal to fire blanks at the beasties and scare them off. These days, it is just as illegal to frighten a sea lion as it is to kill one -- so of course, someone annoyed by one of the nasty beasts is just as likely to kill it as to chase it away.

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I don't think "hunter" is the right word for someone that shoots a protected animal without a license or tag. I believe it's poacher or criminal. As a law abiding hunter and gun owner, I know the difference.

As far as fishing goes, I've had many fish stolen from the little buggers off the coast of San Diego and mexico. There's too many of them and they need a season. I don't know if they're protected in mexico or not, but I did see one with a bullet hole in it swimming around the Coronado Islands. I don't think he made it.

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You can definatly draw lines here among the people who are from fishing oriented geographies and those who arent. Around here killing a seal is a far thing from a tragedy. Try living in a state that spends millions of dollars trying to relocate the damn things.

And how is this for a difficult situation. What do you do when one "protected" species (seals) eats HUGE quantities of another "protected" species (salmon)? Which one wins? To those who dont live off the fishing industry its the "CUTE" one that wins. To those who make a living off the fishing industy its the one that puts food on your table.

I didnt even think sea lions were endangered. They sure dont seem to be in short supply. You cant get on a boat in puget sound without seeing the things.
 
The person and/or persons who shot this Sea Lion should be strung up. As Pat Rogers would say, "There are just some people who shouldn't have guns, drive cars, and are a waste of oxygen."
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I agree. The fishermen shoot sea lions and otters because they eat fish. It reminds me of a lawyer in Texas who was defending a client accused of murder. His opening statment was:

"Your honor... I will prove that SOB just plain needed killing!"

Anybody who would shoot a sea lion in the back of the head fits that description.
 
To those who dont live off the fishing industry its the "CUTE" one that wins. To those who make a living off the fishing industy its the one that puts food on your table.
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Last time I checked, humans had a wide range of food sources to choose from. Sea lions only have one: the same one they were eating about 100 million years before man walked the earth. As for the "huge" amounts they eat, that's a myth. The truth is they have just learned to hang out near fishing boats to snag spillage from the nets. It pisses off the fishermen and they shoot them.

Anybody who would shoot an animal with an underpowered gun and leave it to suffer should be strung up.
 
Anybody who would shoot an animal with an underpowered gun and leave it to suffer should be strung up.
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Apparently you have more information than is available to me. What calliber gun was used to shoot the sea lion?

Last time I checked, humans had a wide range of food sources to choose from. Sea lions only have one: the same one they were eating about 100 million years before man walked the earth.
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Unless im sorely mistaken i dont think the modern sea lion has existed as a species for all that much longer than the human race. Certainly not for "100 million years" longer at any rate.

In fact i found an interesting page on California sea lions. I think its for a school of some kind.

Among other things we learn that the California Sea Lion is FAR from an endangered species. In fact it is "flourishing".

http://bss.sfsu.edu:224/courses/Fall01 projects/Californiasealion.htm

So, how many wild assumptions have we managed to already come up with on this thread?
 
Interestingly, I have been seeing more and more calls for seasons on pesky critters in the hunting mags. Folks are upset at wolf reintroduction. A lot of people are up in arms because of mountain lions. Many want less hunting restrictions on bears. And now, fisherman want to shoot seals.

Basically, it seems that most hunters / fisherman would like to eliminate any critter that eats the same food that they hunt, may pose a danger to them, or just happens to look like it might be fun to hunt.

I come from a line of hunters, and I have been known to go for a walk outside while carrying a longarm (I won't call it hunting, as I am really more interested in getting out of the house). But, it strikes me that a lot of want to make hunting easy, convenient, and safe. Where is the joy in that? Being a hunter / fisherman is all about competing with nature to find food. If you happen to lose a fish to a seal, or find a bear snacking on you kill, that's just the way it goes. They were there (in that enviroment) first. Now, if you want to fight for your fish / kill, then at least do it in a sporting fashion... Hand to hand (or paw or flipper) combat.

What is the deal with folks bragging how they shot a predatory animal anyway?
 
You CAN eat them. I dont know if anyone would want to anymore but, native americans of the region had them as a part of their diet for a LONG time. They can also be used as a source of oil (like whales). Really, i dont think there is any "practicle" point in hunting them unless they start to overpopulate their habitat as a result of us killing off their predators (whales, sharks).
 
I haven't heard a good reason yet as to why this sea lion should have been shot, especially in the irresponsible manner of letting it get away alive with a bullet left in its head. Clearly the shooting wasn't for food or self defense, and if that is "sporting" it sure doesn't reflect well on the rest of the hunters out there.
 
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