choice of optic for my new .308

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Just picked up a TC Icon in .308 and it needs a scope for this deer season. I've settled on 3-9x40mm in a few brands but I can't decide. I've read reviews on each and it seems I can't go wrong with whatever I choose. So Im turning to the experts.

My choices:
Bushnell elite 3200 3-9x40. $170
Vortex Diamondback 3-9x40. $199
Burris Fullfield2 3-9x40. $170

Leopold has the VX2 line for about 80 more but from what I read they aren't much better.
 
I've used the Burris and think it is a good scope for the money. The Bushnell is way too short on eye relief so that is a deal breaker for me. No first hand experience with the Vortex, but I hear good things about their better scopes.

In that price range look at Redfield too. USA made, great eye relief and lighter than the others. The Nikon Buckmaster is about $200 and is a good mid priced scope too.
 
Nice rifle!

I have two Bushnell Elite 4200s in two different power ranges. They are the next level up from 3200 and are superb. Consensus seems to be that Elite line is excellent value, and I agree. Leupold warranty is killer but said to be unnecessary as they don't break. I don't own a Leupold scope, but my Leupold binoculars are worth every penny I paid. OTOH, no warranty ever bagged a buck.

Can't go wrong with any of these. Sorry if that didn't help.
 
Which reticule did you use on your burris? Im interested in the ballistic pled but have heard it is rather thick for further distances.

I've also heard that burris CS is garbage which does give me some reservations about buying from them.
 
I would probably buy a Redfield or spend the extra bucks on the Leupold VX2. With the Leupold, you know you are getting an excellent scope, have an excellent warranty and they are usually lighter and trimmer than the competition.
 
The Vortex is a great choice as is the Burris.

I personally have a couple of the Burris Fullfield II scopes and love them. They are a great value for the money. I've not had a newer E1 yet, but I think if I was buying one now, that's what I'd get. I'd like to get one to review eventually.

I've heard a couple of bad things about Burris CS in the past, but recently I've heard a lot of good things, and I recently had to have my first experience with them and it was pretty positive. Better than the experiences I've had with Leupold, which I've used many many times.

I bought one of the FFII's with the regular duplex reticle SWFA had on sale for $200. When I got it, the eyepiece had more of a wobble than I thought it should and for some reason I was getting 2" groups from a gun that usually shoots sub moa groups. I thought they might be related so I called them up. They told me to send it in and they agreed to send me a shipping label. They said they would mail it to me. When I hadn't seen it at the end of the week I called back and they told me they would email it to me instead. They emailed it asap and I sent the scope in. I got it back quickly, but only to notice that not only was the eye piece the same, but that it now had a spec of dirt in the glass. I've since realized the eye piece was pretty normal for the design of these scopes, and I'm not sure why I didn't get good groups. I called them back again and they apologized and told me this time they would just replace it for me. I sent it back in, and when they got it, they sent a replacement out, and even upgraded me to the one with the ballistic plex which was $100 more. I'm sure that's what they had available at the time, but it was nice none the less. I can't complain about that service at all.


Leupold on the other hand won't pay for you to ship the scope to them the first time it needs repair. However, if it comes back and still has a problem, or develops one soon after they will pay for the return shipping the second time. I've had both happen. One came back with a bigger issue than I sent it in with, and the other time it failed again a few months after getting it back. Both times they did pay return shipping, the second time so that was nice. Really the only positive thing I can say about Leupold is they will at least fix the scopes eventually.

I also had a VX-II and honestly the Burris FFII had better glass and turrets and was quite a bit cheaper. I've never had an issues in the durability of the Burris as they have always held up for me even through abuse. I can't complain about that.

I've really just been very happy with the FFII's and Burris and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend them. Their Signature Zee rings are great too.

I've also had good luck with the Nikons I've had, but even the Monarchs I haven't aren't quite as good as the FFII glass wise. The turrets are much better though, but if you aren't dialing in for longer ranges in the field, I'd prefer the Burris since the glass is better and I much prefer their BP reticle compared to the BDC reticle Nikon has, although I will admit neither one are my favorite. I prefer to dial in for the longer distances as I've found it to be much more accurate.
 
+2, I meant to comment on the Bushnell and forgot all about it. I had a Bushnell Elite 3200, but it was the 5-15x40 not the 3-9x40. The glass was good, and very comparable to the Burris FFII. I know they aren't fully multi coated, like the FFII, but there wasn't much of a difference. I was impressed comparing the two side by side. Then I mounted it, and all of my being impressed quickly went away. This thing very much showed that it was still a Bushnell. It tracked horribly, and the adjustments weren't accurate at all. Since it was on a rifle that I was adjusting the scope fairly often, it didn't work for me at all. If it was going on a rifle where you set the scope and never touched it again, it'd most likely be fine.

I also had another 3200 Elite but this time it was the 10x tactical. It was better, and the tracking seemed accurate, but on this one the glass just didn't seem that great. It was good, no doubt, but it wasn't comparable to the Burris FFII like I felt the 5-15 I got was. I ended up selling both of them, and I honestly don't miss them.

I will also say that 90% of the people I've talked to or heard from that have dealt with Bushnells customer service have nothing good to say. It seems like if you have a problem, more often than not they tell you the tube is bent, or you caused the damage and then tell you they can't repair it, but they conviently offer to sell you a new one at a discount. This is not the kind of customer service that I want, or want anyone else to deal with. This is the biggest thing that sways me away from them. These stories greatly out number the ones of people having a good experience.

Here is an older thread, but it's great to read and compares many of these scopes.
http://opticstalk.com/inexpensive-scope-comparison_topic21176.html

I've also found on this site, and one other hunting site I'm on, you get lots of Leupold recommendations as that's all people are willing to try, and they often aren't open to other brands. However, if you go a site like Snipers Hide, or Optics Talk, where people are actually open to trying various scopes, and use them and test them for more than just sighting them in and never touching them again, and you will find that Leupold doesn't have a big following at all. They just are selling scopes that would have been great in the early 90's, but are no where near where the competition is in this day and age.
 
Word of warning--Simmons/Bushnell's customer service sucks.

Concur! I will never buy another Bushnell product. They do not honor their lifetime warranty. I would suggest you try a Nikon. I hope to eventually replace all of my scopes with Nikon Monarch and Buckmaster scopes. The Monach scopes retail for around $429 but you can pick up a new on e-Bay for around $300. I picked up a 2.5-10X42 w/BDC last night for $320.00 shipped.
 
All good choices there. Check these....

Nikon Monarch but the Coyote or other will do too. superb japanese glass.
Burris fulfilled good glass.
Vortex Viper very nice japanese glass too.
REdfield is made by LEupold here.
Bushnell you have a few very good ones too, both entry level and more advanced.

Stay away from all the online Chinese garbage. Any decent scope is going to be made in Europe, here or in Philippines many with Japanese glass that is superb.
 
The Icon is a nice rifle IMHO I would look at a little better glass then what you have listed.
Have a look at the 3-9x40 Vortex Viper (for a little more than the Vortex Diamondback).

1stMarine you will find the standard Vortex Viper's are made in the Philippines (but are exceptional quality). The Vortex Viper HS and PST are made in Japan.

Like TX said my pick would be the Zeiss Conquest and the Sightron S11 BigSky
 
I like the Bushnell 3200 and Burris, but I really like the BDC and glass on the Nikon. So I am using a Prostaff on my "go to" rifle (6.5x55), and my new log ranged rifle (270WSM). I would buy again without hesetation, very pleased.
 
Thanks for the info. I knew they were Japanese glass. Either way quality and clarity is superb anyway.
The magnification depends on desired use but I think a little bit more doesn't hurt.. maybe up to 12. My favorite is 4x16 with mil dot.
It really depends on your training and see if you can look through some and if you like one better than the other.
Bushnell also makes one that is very versatile, the elite. My buddy has one, it is not in the same league of the big boys but he is happy with that great magnification ratio (.2.6-16!!) and you can get some things done just like IOR for half of the cost.

Just another thought...

http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-elite-6500-series-2-6-16x42-matte-riflescope-652164t.html
 
Holo is this for hunting deer only? drop comp and bit more magnification might give you a bit more edge, specially with long shots. It really depends on the size of other desired targets. The redfield is hard to beat too. Leupold makes them. they have one in 4x12 with their bullet comp specially to find range with deer.
One of my friends is very happy with this one.
 
Pretty much only Deer. I'm not at the point in my life where I can go spend a week out west for mulies and there are no other long range plans in my near future. The only other use would be the trips to the range with it which stretches out to 300 yards. 3-9 is for sure good enough for deer, with no shot going much past 200 yards. But 4-12 would be better suited for both. I have a month to decide though so more research will be done!!
 
diamondback all the way.

Made in phillipines, rugged, glass is great.

4-12 with the adjustable objective would be my cup of tea, but its your scope.

I've used vipers, for the extra dough they aren't worth it (although I have not used the HS or PST versions).
 
I agree for deer do not have to spend the extra money.
also 3x9 might be more suited for closer range.
The top end vortex with tactical reticules are more suited for LR shooters or LEO, Swat, rangers, etc.. on a budget.
 
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