Choosing an O/U

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mleeber

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I am in the market for an inexpensive O/U in 28 or 410. I prefer barrels 26" or shorter and would consider a "combo". I also prefer screw in chokes over fixed choke barrels and a single selective trigger. Am I dreaming? Is there anything out there that is good quality that fits the bill?

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Mark
 
I have heard good things about Stoeger and a couple buddies have them. They seem to work fine.

Inexpensive is definately south of $1000. I have some handguns that I could use as trading fodder so that helps but I imagine that most shotgun guys are not interested in handguns.

Thanks!
 
I'm a "shotgun guy" who happens to have more handguns than anything else - but my experience is with O/U's a little more than your price, so I can't address Stoeger and others as to the quality. You should be able to find a nice SKB, Browning or Beretta in the used, but not abused, section of the internet or local gun/pawn shops. There are also the side by sides from Huglu, CZ and De Haan that might interest you

I found a nice, clean, used SKB 505 in 28 gauge about two years ago for under $500 on the internet - so they ARE out there - I also found a NIB Rem 1100 semi in 28 for under $750 about the same time - patience definitely pays off to save a few bucks
 
Thanks for the info!

I ran across an 1100 Special Field with the 21" remchoke barrel a year or so ago and bought it to make a 3-gun shotgun out of. As soon as I used it on the trap fields I decided to buy a regular 1100 and do the 3-gun thing with it instead; the 1100SF is awesome! I would love to have one in 20, 28, and 410 but being a reloader it is tough to shoot doubles with a semi-auto and not loose any shells hence the O/U search.

I do know where I can get an 1100 in 28ga but I do not have the $700 at the moment....
 
Now I know this may appear to go against a lot of what I've posted in the past, but here goes.

I have not heard of the Mossberg Silver Reserve having the same firing pin issues in sub gauges.

Take that for what it's worth: I've known people with the things, and the 12 Gauges have the firing pin problem, among those I've seen, they ALL have had it, and those who kept shooting them have had the problem repeatedly.

I don't know what kind of volume the sub-gauge guys are shooting. Maybe not much.

Otherwise, I'd go with SKB. I've got an ancient one in 20 that's still my favorite quail gun. Not sure how may .410's there are out there, but there are some.
 
So then the Mossberg might be a good choice? I have seen a single gauge for around $500 but know where I can get a 20ga & 28ga combo for $720. I will look into it further, I really would like choke tubes and I am not sure that the Moss uses tubes under 20ga. It would be really nice if I could get a 28 & 410 combo instead of 20 & 28!

Thanks!
 
I don't know if the Mossberg is really a good choice, due to the consistent problems the 12's and I believe the 20's have had.

I'd wave up a bit more money and spring for an SKB. It's a forever gun.

There were some debates about the Mossbergs, and a few owners chimed in about how theirs were fine, with no trouble. A few months later, the threads were revived as they reported that they, too, had firing pin breakages. I believe there was at least one 20 in that mix.

I was just saying that, if someone wanted a low-volume .410, the Mossberg might suffice. As for me, I'd look for a quality used gun instead, or maybe spring for a new SKB if I came up bone-dry on used ones and wanted the best bang for the buck. Berettas are a bit more, but lighter if you want a really svelte little sub-gauge. Of course, then we're climbing higher up the old price ladder, maybe a bit far for comfort. In 28, but not .410, the Franchi Renaissance is a neat gun, light and quick, nicely made, and not at all expensive for its class.

There are some nice old American SxS sub-gauge guns, too. They're more expensive than old 12's, but they're cheaper than new guns, tough, and with a major neat-o factor.:)
 
I did a search on Franchi and SKB. Big price jump but they seem to be much nicer. Is there a model number I should steer clear of? What about the multiple barrel models? I have heard that some of these doubles use a 12GA frame even for 28 and 410 which would make for a very heavy 410. I see lots of SKB 585s and a few 600s, a couple are multi barrel sets which I am really leaning towards. Are there extended chokes available for SKB and Franchi? And is there a difference between a straight SKB and and SKB/Ithaca?

What are the pros/cons of English stocks? I have one on my 1100 and love it but don't know the whys and wherefores of them.

Thanks!
Mark
 
I bought a Turkish made Gazelle O/U in .410 for around $550. It seems well made and fit and finish are good. It has fixed chokes (full/modified). It is in the same price range as the Mossberg O/U and the Savage Milano O/U. I could have gotten a Stoeger cheaper but liked the fit and finish of the Gazelle better. None of the local shops had the Mossberg or Savage O/U in stock when I bought mine last summer otherwise I would have considered one of them.
 
Ithaca had some models made by SKB for them -so did Weatherby....SKB had multi-gauge sets, that I believe were made on 20 gauge frames for the 28 and 410.....my 20 gauge I bought new at a show years ago for less than 1/2 of a Browning - still going strong...look for the 505 model - lower priced SKB that has same mechanicals - just less engraving
 
I have an old Ithaca SKB. They are the same as the current 505, with a few exceptions. The wood and metal shape at the top of the receiver and buttstock is different. The design on the old Ithaca SKB can cause a crack to form in the stock, but it can be fixed with good glue (e.g. West Systems Epoxy) and with a .410 I sure wouldn't worry about it. The trigger guard has a long tang on the Ithaca SKB, short on the new one. I prefer short, so I don't rust it with sweat, but long seems to be considered "higher end" these days. My Ithaca SKB has fancy relief engraving, dual beads with a fiberoptic in front, and I think it came with a buttplate vs. the current recoil pad. Mine had had a thick Pachmayr added to it some time in its life, and I swapped a thinner Pachmayr for it.

None of that stuff really matters much, either way. The quality, durability, balance, weight, feel, etc. are the same. My 20 Gauge Ithaca SKB cost me 500 bucks, and I love the thing. It's brought home more bird meat than anything else I have.

English stocks? I think they're easier to carry in the field all day since your wrist isn't forced to bend. For shooting, I think it's personal preference. Some people really dislike them or have a really strong preference, but I have, for example, an AR, a straight grip lever gun, and a conventional modern rifle sitting in a safe, and I can't say I prefer one to the other. If they fit me, I can shoot 'em all about equally well or poorly, depending on the day, how dirty my contact lenses are and how much excess caffeine I've had.:)
 
Hmmm. The screw in chokes may be available in the larger gauges, but not in my .410 Mossberg SR. :)
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Is Fausti any good? Found a 20ga that I may be able to trade into....

Thanks!
 
I second the Yildiz. Handling them, they're a little heavy, and might be cumbersome in the field, and from I talked about with our trainer at work, he said the recoil can be a little excessive, so definitely put a pad on the butt.

But they feel alright and certainly not a bad purchase for $399.99 for the plain jane model.

Now that Weatherby Orion Uplander that Academy carries, that is one hell of a shotgun.
 
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