nerfsrule2
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The press in our area is describing the weapons.. one of which is described as " A Bushmaster Assault Rifle." What effect if any will this have on Bushmaster or AR-15's??
Church shootings and Bushmaster
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I'd put my money on a rise in sales. Apparnetly a Bushy was used in the DC sniper attacks, it helped their sales too. Name recognition and all that.
It is one of the few brands of AR15 I'd buy, if I was looking to get one.
Heck, I know someone who bought a Tec9 after he found out they were used in a rampage in a Los Angeles lawyer's office and Columbine. Of course his was a jam-o-matic and he sold it at a profit shortly there after.
No such thing as bad advertising.
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It is one of the few brands of AR15 I'd buy, if I was looking to get one.
Heck, I know someone who bought a Tec9 after he found out they were used in a rampage in a Los Angeles lawyer's office and Columbine. Of course his was a jam-o-matic and he sold it at a profit shortly there after.
No such thing as bad advertising.
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nerfsrule2
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I never gave much thought to increased demand due to name recognition. That defiantly could happen. My concern would be a negative backlash toward Bushmaster for being "Evil"
Ragnar Danneskjold
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My Bushmaster is as evil or good as I want it to be
That's funny, I've never seen a Bushmaster assault rifle at my local Dick's Sporting Goods. Are these full auto or 3-shot burst?
I get so sick of these newsmedia folks calling any black gun an "assault rifle."
Either they're too lazy to do their research, or they're deliberately lying. Shame on them either way.Prince Yamato
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If Assault Rifles were as prevalent in the 1950s and 60s as they are today, JFK would have been shot by an AK instead of a Carcano. The only reason you see more AWs used in crimes is because that's what most people buy. Why weren't more cowboys murdered with gatling guns? Because they weren't as popular as 45 LC revolvers.
Double Naught Spy
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What affect would the press coverage have? As opposed to any other press coverage that names a particular gun by make and type?
By now outdated laws, Bushmaster AR15s often were configured as assault rifles. This is not to be confused with military jargon, but often is. Most of the public and press don't understand the differences.
JFK was not shot with a Carcano because it was a prevalent rifle. It was easy to obtain at the time as were other firearms, but not prevalent or what most folks purchased at the time.
NoScreenName
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No such thing as bad press...
Just like the Century AK used in Omaha. You can almost hear the WASR's flying off the shelves...
Just like the Century AK used in Omaha. You can almost hear the WASR's flying off the shelves...
mustanger98
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Seems to me, if a criminal's gonna choose a Bushmaster rifle, they might just as easily picked any other rifle. Killin's killin.
Notice this all-inclusive statement. It includes anyone, whether they're pro-gun or not, who won't have a Bushmaster rifle for any reason you can think of. It seems the poster may think if you don't own a Bushmaster, you're against Bushmaster, but that's not accurate. I have nothing against Bushmaster, yet I don't own a Bushmaster (or RRA, DPMS, or other brand) because AR-15's aren't my kind of rifle. Does the fact that I'm a levergunner and Garand owner mean my point of view don't count? I don't think so.
My best info is that most crimes committed with guns are commited with revolvers or cheap semiautos. The reason we see so many rifle shootings in the news is a shooting committed with a so-called assault rifle is more sensational. As for the assertion about "murdered cowboys", the Old West didn't see nearly so many shootouts and such as the imaginary Old West ever did. And even up into the 1880's, cap&ball revolvers outnumbered Colt's Peacemakers of all chamberings. However, I've also heard that, suprisingly, the most popular chambering for a 1873 Colt's was .22LR... even back then. But from what I hear, those are quite rare now.
Notice this all-inclusive statement. It includes anyone, whether they're pro-gun or not, who won't have a Bushmaster rifle for any reason you can think of. It seems the poster may think if you don't own a Bushmaster, you're against Bushmaster, but that's not accurate. I have nothing against Bushmaster, yet I don't own a Bushmaster (or RRA, DPMS, or other brand) because AR-15's aren't my kind of rifle. Does the fact that I'm a levergunner and Garand owner mean my point of view don't count? I don't think so.
My best info is that most crimes committed with guns are commited with revolvers or cheap semiautos. The reason we see so many rifle shootings in the news is a shooting committed with a so-called assault rifle is more sensational. As for the assertion about "murdered cowboys", the Old West didn't see nearly so many shootouts and such as the imaginary Old West ever did. And even up into the 1880's, cap&ball revolvers outnumbered Colt's Peacemakers of all chamberings. However, I've also heard that, suprisingly, the most popular chambering for a 1873 Colt's was .22LR... even back then. But from what I hear, those are quite rare now.
CountGlockula
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Is there a link where the killer actually used a Bushmaster?
SamTuckerMTNMAN
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rock river all the way!!!
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The fact that you own lever guns and a garand do not matter, the fact that you will never own an AR15 of any kind does.
Your opinion may count, but I'd say bushmaster probably does not care -- you specifically declared that you are not a potential consumer of their product. They have not lost a sale because of your opinion of the recent events, because you were never a potential customer. I do not own one either, nor do I plan to buy one because I don't like direct impingement - so my opinion of the use as a murder weapon is just as meaningless to their bottom line. (thought their gas piston version looks interesting to me...)
If I had intended to buy one (meaning I was in their target market) and was turned off by the use in murders, then bushmaster should care. Or if I had considered buying one and my decision was reinforced by its use, then bushmaster might care.
Likewise, manufacturers of minivans probably do not care about my opinion of their product, as I am not their target market.
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Roswell 1847
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Bush Master has worse rep problems from the DC snipings. I've heard the gun used would mis fed at every shot for some reason. Probably prevented more killings.
Bushmaster had serious quality issues early on, I wouldn't buy a used one I don't think.
Bushmaster had serious quality issues early on, I wouldn't buy a used one I don't think.
The weapons he had with him at New Life Church were:
Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle, purchased on Jan. 9, 2007, at the Sportsman's Warehouse at 14140 E. Ellsworth in Aurora
AK-47 assault rifle, purchased Nov. 17, 2006, at Robert's Firearms at 18498 E. Colfax in Aurora.
Beretta 40-caliber semiautomatic handgun purchased on Jan. 4, 2007, at Sportsman's Warehouse at 555 N. Chelton Road in Colorado Springs.
Springfield Armory 9mm semiautomatic handgun purchased on Sept. 11, 2007, at Dave's Guns at 1842 S. Parker Road in Denver
From News 7 in denver
Bushmaster XM15 assault rifle, purchased on Jan. 9, 2007, at the Sportsman's Warehouse at 14140 E. Ellsworth in Aurora
AK-47 assault rifle, purchased Nov. 17, 2006, at Robert's Firearms at 18498 E. Colfax in Aurora.
Beretta 40-caliber semiautomatic handgun purchased on Jan. 4, 2007, at Sportsman's Warehouse at 555 N. Chelton Road in Colorado Springs.
Springfield Armory 9mm semiautomatic handgun purchased on Sept. 11, 2007, at Dave's Guns at 1842 S. Parker Road in Denver
From News 7 in denver
k-frame
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Lazy, to a point. Reporters also often repeat what LEOs tell them. So if the police or FBI or ATF call a weapon an "assault rifle" then that often gets repeated. And unfortunately the term "assault rifle" is now locked into the lexicon as short-hand to describe a "legal, semi-automatic rifle with magazine capacity of n rounds."
In fact the AP Stylebook defines assault weapon as "Any semi-automatic pistol, rifle, or shotgun originally designed for military or police use with a large ammunition capacity. Also, firearms that feature two or more accessories such as a detachable magazine, folding or telescopic stock, silencer, pistol grip, bayonet mount or a device to supress the flash emitted while shooting in the dark."
So maybe a word to the AP that the technical term "assault rifle" has a specific meaning?
Prince Yamato
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I have no problem with the term "assault weapon". I kind of like it. We all know what it means. So what if the press confuses it with MGs. We should be allowed those too. I know though... baby steps. Secure the AWs, then let's get on to getting some new post-86 MGs
CountGlockula
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Thanks Houdini.
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