City of Manassas, VA Gun Owners are "Assclowns"

[Gray Peterson]

iirc SCOTUS ruled last year that LE can demand papers if they please.
However if you are an illegal alien then it's OK

No. The Hiibel ruling had to do with giving over your name. It had nothing to do with giving over ID at all. In fact in Hiibel, the SCOTUS ruled that Kolander v. Lawson still controlled over ID's. Also, for Hiibel to control, a state must pass an indentify statute. Nevada has, Virginia has not. Any stop and identify statute must pass the gauntlet through their state constitutions restrictions.

 

[skidmark]

It might be your right in VA, but I still carry concealed when I carry there for this very reason.

VA law prohibits concealed carry in establishments that serve alcohol for on-premises consumption -- so you HAVE TO open carry if you are going to carry.

I guess it's just something we Virginians have to do until the General Assembly gets around to revoking the "resaurant ban" regarding CCW.

stay safe.

skidmark

 

[No_Brakes23]

A merchant marine, maybe.

No way is a guy with that accent from VA. So he is lying about that.

But I will admit that I knew a few antis who were Marines while I was in. All the officers like that were ringknockers and almost universally hated from the ranks, and the enlisted guys like that were all from NYC, Jersey or Massachusetts. They too were snotty elitists and not well liked. All of them whined and cried when it came time to go to the range, (Well they whined and cried when it came to do anything but sit in the A/C and lie about how squared away they were.)

The 911 caller sounded like he was about to cry. And since this is The High Road I will say no more of my opinion of him.

Oh, and, nice cops y'all got there in NorVA.

 

[BigFatKen]

non resident carry ?

I am an Alabama resident with no CCW permit. I am visiting VA in a few weeks. Wat are the Laws about carrying a firearm, please?

 

[PennsyPlinker]

The guy wasn't comfortable, so HE should have just gotten up and left. That is what the libs are always telling the rest of us to do when we see something offensive or inappropriate. Turn it off, don't look, don't listen, etc etc etc blah blah blah.

And for those cops? They should be made meter maids for the rest of their careers and made to wear skirts. I know there are a lot of good cops out there because I know a number of them personally, but it is morons like these guys who make the rest of us hate cops to start.

 

[alucard0822]

I bet that caller got the sock a lot. A comunally administered punishment reserved for only the biggest sissies in the corps. I can't understand how that guy has never seen six armed people minding their own buisness before, must have been a D.C. pen-pusher, maybe one of the brady bunch.

 

[razorburn]

I suppose they are also within their rights to harrass and threaten law-abiding citizens with arrest, in public? You know, the action that started this whole mess....?

Yeah, it's probably legal for cops to give someone a hard time verbally. They do it all the time, anyway.

 

[Blackfork]

Reminds me of New Orleans...

Looks like no LEO stepped forward to remind the other LEOs that they were in the wrong...and there was no shortage of LEOs willing to abuse these citizens.

Someone ought to lose their badges, guns, and jobs. They took an oath to do exactly the opposite of what they all did.

 

[majstoll]

Listen also to the 911 call

911 call record at http://www.vcdl.org/Tonys/Tonys_911.mp3

Does not sound to me like even the caller alleges unlawful activity.

You decide!

 

[coyote_jr]

If the caller was a marine, wow what a b*&#@$. I thought marines were tough guys.

Secondly, are cops the enemy?

Third, I hope there is a HUGE lawsuit.

 

[Turkey Creek]

Sounds like these "law enforcement officers" are similar to the Gestapo- "Papiren bitte Herr Doktor"- Get used to the phrase

 

[ZeSpectre]

The guy wasn't comfortable, so HE should have just gotten up and left. That is what the libs are always telling the rest of us to do when we see something offensive or inappropriate. Turn it off, don't look, don't listen, etc etc etc blah blah blah.

Hah, PennsyPlinker you beat me to pretty much the exact thought.

You would think after the Staunton incident back in October that word would have gotten around to various departments and maybe some education would have happened.

I guess the job never ends. I sure hope I can get out of work and over there in time but that's only going to happen if the meeting stays late. :banghead:

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

cops there

some of em anyway aren't too bright i hada call virginia state police a few years back to get em to knock off some dumb behavior. you shoulda seen the look on their face no one had ever called the police on the city cops before.and silly thing was it started as a minor thing and they made it a big deal for no good reason

 

[Helmetcase]

VA law prohibits concealed carry in establishments that serve alcohol for on-premises consumption -- so you HAVE TO open carry if you are going to carry.

Oops, I forgot that weird little quirk. I don't usually carry around any place that serves booze anyway.

Tony's is pretty much a pizza by the slice joint, they probably serve about one beer an hour. I'm not sure why VA feels it necessary to reveal your sidearm in such a situation, especially if YOU yourself aren't drinking.

What a dupe this caller is, I really would love to have a brief conversation with him. He OPENLY admits on the 911 that he knows it's not illegal for these folks to do what they're doing, but he calls 911 anyway. Calling 911 in a non-emergency situation where you know that there's no crime in progress is criminal.

 

[Ramjet]

It wasn't just that he knew it, he had just had a long discussion with the guys carrying their weapons in the restaurant, had it all explained to him, and then went out into the parking lot and made the 911 call just to cause trouble.

It's too bad the dispatcher had the right instinct on the call, but then went ahead and overruled her better judgment by sending the cops out anyway. And the piling on of the cops in the 911 call -- "oooh, ooh, guns, me want in!" is revolting.

 

[Namvet]

The MCPD dispatcher should get a promtion and a raise. The so-called "retired Marine" shoud lose his/her retirement benefits AND get a butt-whuppin' from real retired Marines. The police officers involved should be counseled as should the six gents that were openly and legally armed. I will defend the right to open-carry, but for many reasons, choose not to and never will. Check out OpenCarry.org. The main thrust of this forum is for folks to open-carry in restaurants, stores, etc. and then report on the reactions,or lack of, of people in these locations. This is not what open-carry is about, IMO.

 

[MatthewVanitas]

This is not what open-carry is about, IMO.

Why not? If it serves a political purpose, what's wrong with it?

The political point of carrying openly is to desensitize the public. At first, you'll get twits calling 9-1-1 and some hassles with cops. But once it gets rolling, people will realize that nothing bad is happening, and it will cease to be an issue.

VCDL had some neat writeups where folks had called 9-1-1 about open-carriers, and been told by the dispatcher that there was no crime being commited, and that police would not be sent.

It's confrontational politics, but a valid technique. Kind of like Ohio's CCW marches.

-MV

 

[hammer4nc]

This was an informative insight into the typical LE response...the tone of the emails pretty much mirrors what you'd find on glocktalk/coptalk, eh?

I'm surprised that the FOIA response included the emails. I've been involved in FOIA cases (WA state) where the administrators withheld internal emails, as priveleged "intermediate work products", and basically said if you don't like it, sue us!

Since this incident makes the agency look bad, expect them to modify their response in the future. I.e., asking for a legal opinion that exempts internal emails from FOIA, or makes requests costly/difficult to obtain; developing a secondary internal comm. network that's not traceable (cell phones); or cooking up a LE response that is pre-approved by the AG, which will make the next event very "inconvenient" for the VCDL members (harassment or conspiracy charges, or somesuch).

Good posting, good luck!

 

[LAR-15]

I doubt you'd get a 911 call like that in Western VA.

 

[berettaman]

The scarry part is the institutionalized passive-agressive attitudes of law enforcement officers towards an armed law-abiding citizenry.From the top to the bottom.The overall attitude seems to be criminal first.Then when it's discovered no laws are being violated,that citizens are "*****" and lawsuit happy.Even more disturbing is the officers e-mail reply of not knowing the codes that obviously a normal citizen does.I'm frankly concerned as to his fitness to uphold the laws in which he's sworn. I assume he knows that jay walking doesn't justify deadly force.

 

[socomcen]

Just remember that there are 3 sides to every story.

 

[El Tejon]

You Marines are afraid of guns? I'm carrying right now and have a bunch more at home--boo! Are you hiding under your beds now, Marines?

Caller has a detectable East Coast Eloi accent. Is it waterdowned New Jersey or New York? I don't think it is Massachusetts and highly doubt Rhode Island. "I'm sure the allow allows this . . ." but I'm frightened and want other men with guns to help me.

He's never seen men carry pistols? He must not get out much then. Where was he garrisoned in the D ring? Bet he got a nasty paper cut.

This needs to be a big fat lawsuit. Further, all kinds of political fire and brimstone need to rain down on Virginia. VCDL should have a "Come to Manassas and Eat Out Day." If I were in VCDL I would propose a meeting to be held in that city. VCDL members from all over the state would come to Manassas and walk around carrying.

 

[ZeSpectre]

I just listened to the .MP3 file and...wow.
I feel uncomfortable when I see young punks in do-rags. Can I call the cops?
I feel uncomfortable when I see people talking on cell phones when driving. Can I call the cops?

and on and on and on.

This was NOT an legitimate 911 call. Feeling "uncomfortable" is not an emergency situation. Somebody should find this guy and press charges for false report.

 

[Bruce H]

Wonder if he was an undercover operative for Bloomberg? Either way if he shows up at the restaurant again the owner should refuse him service. Invite the six singled out to a free meal. Six repeat customers that don't cause trouble are far better than one idiot with an agenda. Let him starve.

 

[davhina]

One thing i did notice about the 911 call was that the operator was incorrect in telling the caller that it is "legal to open carry in VA if have a permit". Wrong!! Don't need a permit to open carry in VA. All you need is a legally purchased(by person carrying)handgun. So the operator should probably check the law, not get a raise and a promotion, because she was only partly correct. As for the caller, just because you "have not seen it in 57 years" and it "makes you uncomfortable" does not make illegal. This so called marine should visit a chiropractor and find out what happened to his spine. Obviously it has disapeared. I did also read several emails from other local police agencies regarding this matter. The one in particular i read asked the MPD if their liability insurance was paid up. Apparently the MPD needs to go back to school and learn VA laws.

Also, when i read the original story in a VCDL email sent to me, there were actually 7 individuals open carrying in the restaurant. The caller and the MPD need to learn to count as well.

This was NOT an legitimate 911 call. Feeling "uncomfortable" is not an emergency situation.

Agreed! Definately not an emergency call.