Civil War re-enactor shot.

Status
Not open for further replies.

griz

Member
Joined
Dec 25, 2002
Messages
2,371
Location
Eastern Virginia
here is the story

They are still trying to find out how, who fired, etc. The link will expire soon so this is what is there:

ISLE OF WIGHT - A Civil War re-enactor who was injured during a documentary film shoot over the weekend was struck in the shoulder by a shot apparently fired from the pistol of another re-enactor.

Isle of Wight County sheriff C.W. Phelps said the projectile that doctors removed from the shoulder of Thomas Lord Sr. was identified as a .45-caliber musket ball, ruling out the possibility that the wound was the result of an errant shot fired by a hunter from the nearby woods.

The incident happened on Saturday in Heritage Park, where a film crew from Virginia Beach was shooting documentary footage to recreate a Civil War battle. The filmmakers were using Civil War re-enactors and other local residents to portray the Union and Confederate soldiers.

Phelps said Lord, a 72-year-old Suffolk resident, was portraying a Union soldier and was standing on the sidelines while the filmmakers shot footage of the Confederate soldiers charging and firing their weapons. Actors and re-enactors do not use live ammunition in such scenes, but at least one of the pistols fired a live round that struck Lord in the right shoulder.

He was airlifted to Sentara Norfolk General Hospital, where he was treated and released.

"There were at least three people with pistols in the scene at the time Mr. Lord was hit by the projectile," Phelps said. "There was a volley of shots being fired from 25-30 feet away from where he was standing, and obviously someone had a slug in his weapon."

Phelps said the filmmakers are cooperating and that investigators will be reviewing the footage of the scene in which the shot was fired.

"We're continuing the investigation to see if we can determine who fired the pistol," Phelps said. "We're still assuming that the shooting was accidental, but we can't know anything for sure until we determine who was involved in the shooting."
 
too weird. hope the man recovers completely. even a game, when guns are involved, is not a game. ever.
 
I hope they catch the guilty party

I don't like the notion of pointing guns at people for film
 
Man, those reenactors across the pond are hardcore!

What pond is that, Mis? The James River?:D

These men playing dress up are in Ol' Virginny, I say, I say.

Johnny Reb got lucky! Everyone knows Banjos could not shoot. Hard to hit a Yankee and spit in a jug at the same time.;):D

Re-enactor likely distracted and got excited and loading a ball without thinking . . . goes without saying.
 
Wouldn't that be a easy thing to figure out who fired the bullet? I shot some black powder yrs ago. You ALWAYS cleaned the gun well after shooting. There were only 3 pistols I would think the naked eye could tell which one had a lead ball (fouling) and which fired just some wadding over powder charge.

I have heard about folks getting shot with cleaning rods. (from rifles) They fire the first (blank) and reload quickly and forget to remove cleaning/packing rod and it becomes a "arrow"
 
Wouldn't that be a easy thing to figure out who fired the bullet? I shot some black powder yrs ago. You ALWAYS cleaned the gun well after shooting. There were only 3 pistols I would think the naked eye could tell which one had a lead ball (fouling) and which fired just some wadding over powder charge.

The assumption here is the "always" part. Plus, if the ball had a patch around it, leading may have been minimal, especially from a single shot.

This sort of thing happens with some regularity. If you watch the video, they refer to another incident from 10 years ago.
www.whtm.com/news/stories/0808/541635_video.html?ref=newsstory

Then there are others...
http://www.civilwarnews.com/archive/articles/reenactor_shot.htm
http://civilwar.cloudworth.com/reenactment-of-battles.php (go down to Aug 5, 2008)
 
the projectile that doctors removed from the shoulder of Thomas Lord Sr. was identified as a .45-caliber musket ball, ruling out the possibility that the wound was the result of an errant shot fired by a hunter from the nearby woods.
Hunters use 45 caliber black powder guns for hunting.
Or maybe it was a guy on a grassy knoll...
 
The person who fired the shot must certainly know he fired a live round. "Blanks" don't recoil. So the shooter is either keeping it a secret or the projectile didn't come from a reenactor's gun.
 
I'm smelling a rat! My totally unknowledgeable guess is : (drumroll, please) The shooter did it on purpose and thought that his tracks could be covered by :
1.) Others were shooting at the same time.
2.) Smoothbores can't be ballistically traced to the gun.


Hummmmmmmm....... What do yo think?
 
I'm smelling a rat! My totally unknowledgeable guess is : (drumroll, please) The shooter did it on purpose and thought that his tracks could be covered by :
1.) Others were shooting at the same time.
2.) Smoothbores can't be ballistically traced to the gun.


Hummmmmmmm....... What do yo think?

I think these things happen enough that it is likely a stupid mistake.

Here is another...http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231563&highlight=re-enactor

In speaking with a re-enactor buddy of mine, I understand most such injuries are related to powder and debris in the barrel, but the occasional ball gets loosed. It isn't a problem if the re-enactors aren't actually pointing guns at one another, however.
 
I'm smelling a rat! My totally unknowledgeable guess is : (drumroll, please) The shooter did it on purpose and thought that his tracks could be covered by :
1.) Others were shooting at the same time.
2.) Smoothbores can't be ballistically traced to the gun.


Hummmmmmmm....... What do yo think?

Don't think so. The guy was interviewed on local TV and he didn't seem happy about it. Plus he got shot in the back of the shoulder while being filmed, so it isn't likely to be self inflicted. How a loaded revolver got overlooked I have no idea. (assuming the reporters have it right and it was a revolver)
 
(assuming the reporters have it right and it was a revolver)

I am surprised they didn't use the term "fully automatic single shot assault musket"...

Time to start micro-stamping musket balls I suppose... Only something tells me only the "North" would sign on for that... :scrutiny:
 
Mabye it was one of the rebels with a grudge, there are alot in the south that still think the civil war is going on :rolleyes: I think we need to march on Richmond and get Tim Kaine's unconditional surrender :neener:
 
44 revolvers are rifled. I have never heard of a 44 cal. "musket". When I did ACW re-enacting, we always did a careful inspection of arms before each "battle" that included making sure no one had ANY live ammo AT ALL. We even went so far as removing the rammers from all rifles/muskets to ensure no one would get harpooned. I would go with the ball stuck in the barrel myself, but we'll probably never know the whole truth.
 
First they say it was a musket ball. Then they say there were only three pistols. If it was a pistol...is a patch even used? I thought the ram cut a small ring of lead off the ball as it pushed the ball into the cylinder.Most of the pistols for civil war period were .44 cal...yes/no? Thought thats what I see in the catalogs.

At any rate, he is lucky to be alive.

Mark.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top