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First of all, I should probably say hello. I'm pretty new, both here, and as a gun owner. I'm 18, and my name is Sam and I am a member of my college's gun club. I have a few questions about the CMP. I found out about the CMP a few months ago when I first got into guns, and I was very excited that I could get a garand. I understand most of the eligibility requirements, my question is about the supply. I see on the website and have seen murmurs on different messageboards about new supplies. I know they recently got some new m1 carbines in, and I would really like to own one. I have also heard that they might be getting some new garands in, which is great because I would love to own a service grade garand. I was saving up for a garand until the carbine announcement came out. Is there any truth to that rumor? is the stock of garands completely gone, or are there more packed away in a warehouse somewhere? How much should the carbines cost? should I get a field grade garand, or a carbine, or wait for service grade garands? Keep in mind I probably won't be able to buy any of them until this summer, because I am not a member of a CMP affiliated organization, and I haven't competed in any marksmanship competitions.

Thanks for your help.
 
there are no more warehouses of Garands in the USA. any new rifles would come from other countrys, and that is impossible to reliably predict. even the new M1 carbines coming in are foriegn lent guns

basicly ask yourself.

what is your predicted "recovery" time. ( will it take you a month or a year to save up more money)
which would you rather have. a full rifle or a carbine
Are there any local laws prohibiting you from buying either at 18 ( hicap laws on the carbine)

the CMP said there will be "five digits" of carbines coming in. thats anywhere from 10,000 to 99,999 , though they have said its closer to 10.

id suggest getting the full M1 first. as they will sell out sooner
 
http://www.odcmp.com/rifles/carbine.htm
Not a rumor. :) I heard over 30,000.
29 December, 2006. The Army has transferred to the CMP a significant quantity of M1 Carbines. We are currently processing these carbines through our Inspection & Repair operations and expect to have some ready for sale by 1 March, 2007, but it may be sooner. More information will be posted on this web page as it becomes available.



At this time no decisions have been made as to grading, pricing, or limits. We are not accepting orders or establishing waiting lists at this time!!

NOT ACCEPTING ORDERS AT THIS TIME!!
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The field grade Garands are in pretty good shape. There are also rack grades in good shape as well as far as wood and finish. If you can get to a store and pick one out, it would be best.

CMP also sells new barrels for around $165. So you can always consider buying a rack grade and getting the new barrel put on. It will cost you a little more, but it will have a new barrel. I am tempted to buy a new barrel to put on mine one of these days.
 
right now I think I want a carbine, although my final decision will probably be based on price. I have enough money for a service grade rifle now, I just don't belong to a CMP club and haven't participated in any competitions, so I don't qualify. By this summer both conditions should be met. I live in PA and go to school in VA so there are no "assault weapons" laws to worry about, and I can legally own any gun, and legally buy any rifle. The range I use most of the time goes out to 200 yards, so the carbine has plenty of range. If the carbine isn't sold out by this summer, and if it doesn't cost to much I will try to get that. If it does cost to much, or is sold out, I will get a field grade garand. How much do real m1 carbines go for? I've seen reproductions of the carbine that are around $500, and some that are slightly cheaper but probably lower quality. The real ones are way out of my price range, but if the CMP discounts them to not much above a service grade garand then I could afford one.
 
The carbine is not in the same league ballistically as the Garand. Shoot the both, if possible before deciding 6ince you "just got into guns".
 
I have heard nothing on price. I am assuming they will be close to the same prices as the Garands. The cheaper they are the more I can buy. :)

I am more concerned about quality. I want to at least get a function rifle that doesn't look like a POS.
 
Not to hijack the thread, but I've got a question myself. I'm about to place my first order with CMP and do they ship these rifles directly to your house? I was under the assumption I would need an FFL.
 
I hope the carbines are around the same price as the garands. I've shot a garand, and it was pretty cool. But I would prefer a gun with less recoil if I'm not going to be shooting it at very far distances and won't be doing any match shooting. I had always planned on getting a carbine "someday," and if they are available through the CMP I might as well get one sooner rather than later.

Also: the CMP ships right to your house. That and the price are the advantage.
 
They will ship directly to your house, you don't need an FFL.

I'm getting my paperwork ready so I can snag a carbine when they become available.
 
I'm getting my paperwork ready so I can snag a carbine when they become available
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Yep. I would not want work for the CMP during the few weeks after they announce they are opening up to orders. They should get hammered pretty good. I've got my paper work ready.

The Carbines are to be, "ready for sale by 1 March, 2007, but it may be sooner."

My guess is that the carbines will be available for a while. Someone said that the grand Pooh-Bah of the CMP suggested that they were getting enough to last 1 to 2 years? Take that for what it's worth.

As indicated above... I'm sending my forms in on day one. Even have a auto process that runs every day and brings up the CMP carbine page so I don't forget to check availability. This may seem extreme, but I missed the service grade Garands. Once bitten...

BTW: The filed grade Garands are nothing to sneeze at. They may not be pretty, but they are operable. And if you get a field grade and the service grades become available again, you can always buy the service grade and sell off the Field grade.*

As far as price on the carbines, I asked that same question. The THR swamis have predicted prices between 450 and 600 for a shooter. I tend to agree. I'm budgeting 600 and if I've over shot, I have money for ammo.

*I don't believe it either... but it made spending the $$$ easier. I'd probably just end up with 2 Garands... No wait, 3... that way I can stack them. :evil:
 
I would suggest getting all the qualifications for the CMP out of the way NOW so that when the next "hot" item comes up for sale you'll be able to send in your order quick. Join an affiliated club and get the "proof of marksmanship" satisfied and get a copy of your birth certificate. You might as well get the notary form done too as it will be good for 3 years.

I finally got squared away a couple years ago and now just mail in the order forms whenever I see anything interesting pop up. Speed is of the essence when the very desireable and limited items come up for sale.
 
Just to pick your interest,,,,,
The US Navy still has 20,000-to maybe 50,000 M1 Garands still held in reserve, many if not most converted to 7.62 NATO/ .308 Winchester.
The Air Force has maybe another 20,000 M1 Garands still on the books.

The Marines and Army also maintain stocks of M1 Garand rifles.
These rifles are held in individual unit arms rooms.
The rifles the CMP receives are depot turn ins.
They are not all gone yet.
 
What is the fastest, easiest, and cheapest way to meet the proof of marksmanship requirements?
 
I was told that just about any firearms training class that includes range time would qualify. However, if you have something in mind and want to check, email the CMP. They will get back to you within a day or two.

I guess I need to get my paperwork ready.

Also a good reason to turn in my taxes immediately in February. :)
 
Fastest Way to qualify

here is what I did to get my Marksmanship training. I belong to a range that I have shot at consistently for two years. When I found out a friend of mine was making a run to the CMP North store, it was finally time to bite the bullet and qualify to purchase, I had two days in which to get that marksmanship badge so what did I do.
I printed this form

http://www.odcmp.com/Forms/marksmanship.pdf

Then I took it to the range I frequent and had the range officer fill it out. Took 5 minutes. The range officer knew me, and knew I was a safe shooter so he filled it out, otherwise the officer is to ask you to fire 50 rounds from a firearm of your choice while practicing good habits.

It was really easy.
 
Qualifications . . .

Would someone who has already met the CMP qualifications please, in words of one or two syllables, explain the process and milestones.

I must be having a google-impaired day, 'cuz I can't find a nice simple explanation of "this is how you participate in CMP and become eligible for purchases."

Thanx.

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. . . and naturally, my post collides with someone doing such a post. Great.

Now, how does one get that done if there are no ranges with a range officer anywhere near me?

Eyesac, Gunsmith, any of you other Northern Nevada guys, help?
 
tegemu said:
Where are the CMP stores located?
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Camp Perry (Port Clinton), OH and Anniston, AL.

ArfinGreebly said:
Would someone who has already met the CMP qualifications please, in words of one or two syllables, explain the process and milestones.

I must be having a google-impaired day, 'cuz I can't find a nice simple explanation of "this is how you participate in CMP and become eligible for purchases."

Thanx.
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See the link:

CMP Eligibility Requirements
 
Originally Posted by ArfinGreebly

Would someone who has already met the CMP qualifications please, in words of one or two syllables, explain the process and milestones.

I must be having a google-impaired day, 'cuz I can't find a nice simple explanation of "this is how you participate in CMP and become eligible for purchases."
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Thanx.
See the link:

CMP Eligibility Requirements
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Yep… that’s the best outline.

U.S. Citizenship:
I used my Passport

Age:
Passport showed my age

Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization:
I just joined the GCA to meet the “Afflicted Organization” criteria. It took about a week to get the confirmation that they charged my credit card. Their Quarterly magazine is pretty cool. They send membership info to CMP every week, so over night them your app and bingo… you should be a member in no more than 2 weeks. http://www.thegca.org/

Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:
I used my CHL. (Clemson45 seems to have the fastest way if you are not already a CHL or C&R holder)

Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm:
I went to the UPS store that had a Notary on staff. I got copies of everything while I was there. Fedex/Kinkos also may have notaries on staff. Your Bank/CU should also have a notary on staff.

Order Form and Purchaser Certification and Agreement:
http://www.odcmp.com/Forms/1orderform.pdf. Download this FIRST! Gives you what you will need in hard copy.

Also, use the Sales part of Website to get the product code you will be requesting.

I just coppied my GCA card, CHL, and Passport onto a single sheet and included that with the app.

Repeat Customers:
Waiting for M1 Carbine to be available… Waiting…. Waiting…


Total real time was about 3 and half weeks from downloading GCA and CMP forms to CMP receiving my order. I bet I could have cut that down to just over a week if I would have overnighted the GCA and CMP forms and called the GCA for my Member #.

BTW: The Staff at CMP are OUTSTANDING. I emailed them several times to ask stupid noob questions and they were really cool and prompt.
 
what is the GCA?
Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm:
I went to the UPS store that had a Notary on staff. I got copies of everything while I was there. Fedex/Kinkos also may have notaries on staff. Your Bank/CU should also have a notary on staff.
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exactly how does this part work? How does the guy at the UPS store know if you are a legal gun owner or not? Is it just a deal where you have to sign "I hereby delcare that I _________________________ can legally own firearms" and have the notary stamp it?
 
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